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CITY OF DIAMOND BAR
CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION
MARCH 18, 2003
STUDY SESSION: M/Herrera called the Study Session too der at
5:06 p.m. in Room CC -8 of the South Coast Air Quality Management
District/Government Center, 21865 E. Copley Dr., Diamond Bar, CA.
♦ Street Sweeping
Public Comments
Present: Council Members Chang and Zirbes, ayor
Pro Tem Huff and Mayor Herrera. Council Member O'Connor arri ed at
5:12 p.m.
Also present were: Linda Lowry, City Manager; Mike Jenkins, City
Attorney; James DeStefano, Deputy City Manager; David Doyle; Deputy
City Manager; David Liu, Public Works Director; Bob Rose, Community
Services Director; Linda Magnuson, Finance Director; Lynda Burgess, City
Clerk; Linda Smith, Development Services Assistant; Joe Maxey , Lt.,
Walnut Sheriff; Fred Alamolhoda, Senior Engineer and Sharon G mez,
Management Analyst.
1) Six-month review of the City's Street Sweeping Program and
possible modification. I
PWD/Liu presented three options for Council's consideration:
Option 1 - Modification of the current program with the foll
components:
a)
b)
C)
d)
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Citywide Signage - changes with variations ranging
from a cost of $12,000 to $200,000.
staff
recommended installation of additional signs at a
cost
of $12,000.
School Areas, High -Density Residential A
was,
Commercial Areas - changes utilizing a variety
of
methods within identified pocket areas will require
different routes for the contractor and some
will
require different days and times within
the
neighborhood. Staff recommended revising
the
program as described in Attachment 1 to the
taff
report for a total cost of $32,000. The contractor
Dost
would be $9,000, to be absorbed in the current 2002-
03 budget. Signage costs would be $23,000.
Warning Citation - for first time offei
der
(contractors/service providers/visitors.
Penalty Amount - To reduce penalty amount, a
new
street sweeping parking section of the Municipal Code
and revision to the fee schedule at a public hearing
is
required.
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Option 2 - Modification of the current program by decreasing the 5
112 -hour window to 4 -hour window. Requires a revision to the
sweeper's route, re -timing the schedules and re-signing the City.
a) A 4 -hour window was presented for the current
equipment service level. The minimum signage is
estimated at the entrances to each street or proposed
at $97,000, Scenario 2. Within these new time zones,
the schools, the high-density areas, etc. would be
reviewed.
b) The increased cost of the contract is 10% (or less) of
the existing budget of $130,000 - no more than
$13,000 yearly.
Option 3 - Modification of the program by alternate side sweeping
(citywide). This requires a revision to the sweeper's route, re -timing
the schedules and re-signing the City.
a) The signage is estimated on each side of the street
with cost estimates from $194,000 to $398,000.
b) The increased cost of the contract is approximately
50% of the existing budget - or $65,000
c) The proposed amount of this modification is estimated
between $259,000 and $463,000.
C/Zirbes favored Option 2 because it seemed to respond to public
complaints and concerns. He suggested that the City install signs
at every street. Overall, the program seemed to be working. He
was concerned about multi -family areas and suggested that staff
take a survey of the residents of the multi -family areas to gain
insight about what they want. He also liked the possibility of
lowering the citation fee. Of the eight cities polled, the average
citation cost is $36. Overall, residents are very happy with the
program. They like having the streets cleaned up.
PWD/Liu responded to C/Chang that Option 1 includes, in the
projected additional cost, alternate side street sweeping for specific
areas.
C/Chang stated that many residents who call or email the Council
indicate that they do not have a place to park. He felt it was better
to give them an option for alternate side street sweeping. He also
liked the fact that service providers and visitors would be able to
secure a first-time waiver. He agreed that there should be more
signs on the streets. He hoped the Council would agree to reduce
the citation penalty amount from $50 to $30. He commended staff
on the thorough report.
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C/Chang responded to M/Herrera that he favored Op ion 1
depending on the citation amount and how many additional signs
should be installed.
MPT/Huff expressed concern about the portion of Option 2 in that
the first 4 -hour period starts at 7:00 a.m. That would be a pr biem
for residents. The waiver for first-time offenders is good if the City's
technology could accommodate that It would be benefi iai if
officers were a little friendlier in their enforcement efforts. There
should be a cap on the number of times out-of-town visitors could
avoid a citation, especially in the event of home-based businEisses,
etc. He believed the penalty was too high and he would be inclined
to favor $25-$30. He was still concerned about how to handle
RV's, especially for those who had no parking on Frida s or
Mondays. It takes time to get one's outfit rigged in order to C et on
the road. Conversely, it takes time to clean up the rig efore
returning it to the parking lot. Additionally, construction workers,
day-care providers, nurses, other domestics, etc. need to be
accommodated. The alternate side sweeping solves all of hese
little problems in spite of the fact that the cost is high.
MPT/Huff responded to M/Herrera that he basically favored 9ption
3.
C/O'Connor said the Council should be aware of how
many
complaints the City has actually received. There are 1E,000
residences - 5000 tickets have been issued, 14% of those cit
ions
have been appealed and a number of cites have been dismi
If the City made massive changes to the established it
sed.
policy,
likely cause confusion. The majority of residents have gotten
ould
ised
to the program as it exists. There will always be exceptions
3uch
as for RV's and the City needs to work with those exceptions.
She
did not feel that everything outlined in Option 1 should be done
but
if she had to select an option, it would be Option 1. She ag
eed
that the, penalty should be reduced. This program is not intended
to
be a money making venture for the City. She agreed that se
ice
people should not be ticketed. With respect to domestics, p
pie
should change their cleaning day if it interferes with the s
reet
sweeping program. She felt the Sheriff's officers were reasonable
with respect to issuance of citations. The residents who live around
schools are pleased that their streets are clean. However, the
do
not necessarily want to have to have the street sweeping in iheir
neighborhoods more than one time a week. She did not bel
eve
street sweepers should be in neighborhoods before 7:00 a.m.
and
she was not aware of any school that was not located ip
a
residential area. She suggested that street sweeping be condo
ted
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between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m. after school closes. She cautioned the
Council about making extreme changes when the majority of the
citizens have become used to the current program. People who
have five or six cars and complain about lack of parking have to
take responsibility for their situation. She asked if Council and staff
really believed that by adding one more sign on a light post higher
than the signs are at this time, it would make a difference. We all
tend to forget and leave our cars on the street once in a while. It is .
bound to happen.
M/Herrera said she also favored Option 1. She felt that the penalty
amount was okay because it is supposed to hurt so that one does
not repeat the offense. Since there are four Council Members who
favor reducing the citation amount and have referred to a penalty of
$30, it is likely that it would be implemented. She asked Sheriff's
representatives how the City might handle the RV problem.
Lt. Maxey indicated that, in the City of Walnut, for instance, people
obtain a permit from the Sheriff's Department for a certain period of
time.
C/O'Connor asked how many complaints have been about RV's.
Lt. Maxey said it would be important to determine what constitutes
a motor home. in some instances, people use six passenger vans
for camping.
MPT/Huff said that in a typical scenario, RV owners would retrieve
their motor home on Thursday evening, start the refrigerator and
begin filling the vehicle for a trip so that as soon as they get off
work on Friday they are prepared to leave. He said that one person
spoke about his RV during public comments. Just because people
do not speak out does not mean that they are not irritated. We
have to be careful when we make such an argument because they
look to the City and the Council to protect their interests.
C/Zirbes suggested that the City take a look at how to make it as
easy as possible for people to live their daily lives in a usual
manner.
MPT/Huff believed the City was still trying to come up with an idea
about what "oversized" meant.
C/O'Connor could see how some people would abuse the privilege.
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C/Zirbes said he would like to see signage at every street because
he felt it would lower complaints. If you see signs every day it
becomes imbedded in the mind and habits of the residents.
C/O'Connor did not believe that by adding another sign to each
street would stop the abuse and complaints. The only wayt stop
the behavior is to place a sign on every light pole.
C/Zirbes said he would be willing to try one more sign to bring do,
the level of complaints.
2) Public Comments
Jerry Hamilton said he and his wife are the silent majority. They
are very satisfied with the program as it currently exists and they
have never had such clean streets. He believed that alternate side
street parking would lead to problems with people parking across
driveways and trash going down the drain that day. When you start
changing codes it can lead to a lot of problems. He stated that this
is one of the best Council's he's seen in D.B. He wondered ifother
cities that resorted to alternate street side sweeping resulted in
meeting State subventions. Residents have never been told how
much each parcel would have to pay if fines were imposed. The
City should hold on to its money. The State will cut back fundi g to
cities. The street sweeping law is good as it stands.
Audrey Hamilton said she is satisfied with the program and a kec
the Council not to lower the rate. The current fee is what makes
people really stop and think. If you impose alternate sides reel
sweeping you'll have trash moving from one side to the othe . If
25% of the streets are cul-de-sacs, does that mean you'll have the
street sweeper come down one side of the street, pick up trash and
then the 'next day come back and sweep the other side of the
street? That would be a big waste. It doesn't seem to make any
sense. If people would clear out their garages so that they c uld
park their vehicles, they would have the off-street parking hey
need.
Clyde Hennessee felt that the only thing wrong with the progra.
the onerous fine. The entire idea of the program was to get illi
cars off of the streets and comply with federal standards to k
garbage and trash out of the sewers. So, let's not compound
problem by making changes.
is
the
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3) Further Council Discussion:
C/O'Connor asked if staff was aware of the cost of hand-held ticket
dispensing units.
CM/Lowry responded that the cost could be in the area of $10,000
or $20,000. It would depend on the number of units and cost of the
software program.
M/Herrera asked if COPS or other special law enforcement funds
could be used toward the purchase.
CM/Lowry said staff has been researching hand-held units as well
as larger applications for all traffic enforcement. In certain cases,
those types of funds could be used.
C/O'Connor felt the technology could be helpful for tracking
purposes and would like staff to investigate the possibility further.
Lt. Maxey said that for traffic enforcement throughout California,
hand-held units are $3,200 plus a fee of $4,000 for software
support, a paper trail, etc.
CM/Lowry explained that hand-held technology has expanded to
the point that information regarding the vehicle and whether it had
previously received a parking citation in the City of D.B. would be
instantaneously available to the CSO or deputy. Staff does not yet
know whether this type of technology is available for $4,000.
Maybe for $4,000 you can issue tickets because that technology
has been available for about 15 years. But having access to the
motor vehicle data bank and history of citations may not be as
financially available to the City.
MPT/Huff pointed out that with the number of dead spots in the
City, there would not necessarily be accessibility to any on-line
information.
C/O'Connor said she envisioned the system working like her Palm
Pilot with her specific information being available. The City would
have a system unique to its own information.
C/Zirbes also felt that the City could control the software and input
information essential to patrolling its streets only.
CM/Lowry agreed with C/O'Connor that the City could enter its own
information and retrieve data accordingly.
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DCM/Doyle suggested that staff members investigate the
possibilities offered through current and potential technology, btain
a unit and test it before making a commitment to determine w iether
it was capable of capturing the desired information,
CM/Lowry felt that there could be some connectivity between the
system and the City's permit processing. People in D.B. do not
have to have a business license. In other cities, they have to have
a sticker on their car in order to park on residential streets. She
also felt that if people were granted passes they would under tand
they were to not leave trash at curbside.
M/Herrera asked if the Council had clarified that every first time
offender does not get a ticket, to which CM/Lowry responded "No."
M/Herrera stated that Council should clarify that matter for staff
through the voting process at tonight's regular meeting.
C/O'Connor felt that the appeal process would take ca a of
offenders who had just moved into the City and might not now
about the street sweeping policy.
ADJOURNMENT: With no further business to
M/Herrera adjourned the Study Session at 6:18 p.m.
ATTEST:
CAROL HERRERA, Mayor
LYNDA BURGESS, City Clerk
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MINUTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL
REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DIAMOND BAR
MARCH 18, 2003
CLOSED SESSION: None
STUDY SESSION: M/Herrera called the Study Session to
order at 5:06 p.m., in Room CC -8 of the South Coat Air Quality
Management District/Government Center, 21865 E. Copley Dr., Diamond
Bar, CA.
♦ Street Sweeping
♦ Public Comments
Present: Council Members Chanc and Zirbes,
Mayor Pro Tem Huff and Mayor Herrera. Council Member O'Clonnor arrived
at 5:12 p.m.
Also present were: Linda Lowry, City Manager; Mike Jenkins City Attorney,
James DeStefano, Deputy City Manager; David Doyle; Deputy City Manager;
David Liu, Public Works Director; Bob Rose, Community Services Dir ctor;
Linda Magnuson, Finance Director; Lynda Burgess, City Clerk; Linda Smith,
Development Services Assistant; Joe Maxey, Lt., Walnut Sheriff; Fred
Alamolhoda, Senior Engineer and Sharon Gomez, Manage ent Anal st.
ADJOURNMENT:
6:18 p.m.
MlHerrera adjourned the
at
CALL TO ORDER: MlHerrera called the regular City C unci)
meeting to order at 6:38 p.m. in the South Coast Air Quality Manage ent
District/Government Center Auditorium, 21865 E. Copley Dr., Diamond Bar,
CA.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: The Pledge of Alleg
M/Herrera.
INVOCATION: The Invocation was given
Sakr, Ph.D, Islamic Education Center.
ROLL CALL: Council Members
Zirbes, Mayor Pro Tem Huff, Mayor Herrera
was led by
y Ahmed H.
0'c4nor,
Also present were: Linda Lowry, City Manager; Mike Jenkins, City At
James DeStefano, Deputy City Manager; David Doyle; Deputy City Me
David Liu, Public Works Director; Bob Rose, Community Se ices Di
Linda Magnuson, Finance Director and Lynda Burgess, City Clerk.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA: As presented.
ey;
ler;
.or;
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SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS, CERTIFICATES, PROCLAMATIONS:
1.1 Presented Certificates of Appreciation to outgoing Community
Foundation Members Daniel Oaxaca and Allen Wilson. The
Certificate for Matthew League will be forwarded to him.
1.2 Proclaimed March 30 — April 5, 2003 as "Safety Seat Checkup Week."
1.3 Presented City Plague to the Diamond Bar Toastmasters Club
celebrating their 25t Anniversary.
2. CITY MANAGER REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS: None Offered.
3. PUBLIC COMMENTS: M/Herrera asked the Council whether they would
be interested in scheduling a discussion regarding "subject matter
jurisdiction" during public comments at the next regular Council meeting on
April 1, 2003.
No Council Member acknowledged their desire to have this matter placed on
the agenda.
Tina Javid, Public Affairs Manager, The Southern California Gas Co., liaison
for D.B., introduced herself and outlined the company's commitment to the
City.
Nancy Lyons, President, D.B. Friends of the Library, announced that the
Annual Wine Tasting Soiree would be held on Sunday, March 30, 2003 at the
Shilo Hilltop Suites. She stated that this event is the major fundraiser for the
group and allows the Friends to continue providing best seller collections for
children's programs as well as other items not available through L.A. County.
She thanked individuals who have forwarded their contributions. Tickets are
available at the library, the library bookstore and at Century 21 E -N Realty.
Steve Tye thanked Council Members for doing the job they were elected to
do which is the business of the City and he appreciated their ability to remain
focused. He felt that the press had mischaracterized the Mayor's direction
at the March 4, 2003 meeting that a member of the public would not be
permitted to express himself on matters not within the City's subject matter
jurisdiction. He gratefully acknowledged Mayor Herrera's "grace under fire"
and her ability to handle difficult and unique problems with class and dignity.
He said he was proud of her and her colleagues. Any resident is free to
express himself within the context of the meeting. He encouraged the
Council to resist the veiled threat of a bully to get his way.
Ted Meyers said he called Council Member Chang because his wife said he
should try and be kind and work out his differences. After speaking to
Council Member Chang, he realized Mr. Chang's concern went beyond his
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trying to be nice. Now he is more determined because of corr munity s pport
and he said he would just have to do what he had to do. He rad "The Divine
Image" by William Blake. He also read portions of and commented on a San
Gabriel Valley Tribune article. Council Members have a fi cal and olicy
responsibility to allow people to talk about their concerns.
Richard McKee, California First Amendment Coalition, spoke about the First
Amendment and the War in Iraq. When the Council restrains speech
because of the topic they have indicated on the "Voluntary Request to
Address the City Council," it discriminates. It is a violation of First
Amendment rights in this limited public forum.
CA/Jenkins reported that he had sent Mr. McKee a letter that
set fo
h the
City's policies relative to public participation in Council
meetings
and
informed him that he believed the City's policies to be in full compliance
with
The Brown Act and with the First Amendment to the U.S.
Constitu
ion.
Additionally, the way in which this City Council conducts its m
etings is
n full
compliance. The Council allows five full minutes of comment,
which is
n his
experience, very unusual. Most cities allow only two or three
minutes
This
Council invites comment from the audience on any matter that
is wft,
in its
subject matter jurisdiction. The First Amendment does not permit
to use this as a forum for expression on any and all subjects
any person
In fact,
case
law is clear that the content of the subject matters raised duri
g this m
eting
may be limited to those matters that are within the Council's
subject rhatter
jurisdiction. Mr. McKee has unfortunately confused the difference
behveen
content and viewpoint. The Council can limit the topics that p
ople raise
and
the Council can limit those topics that are within the subject
matter
jurisdiction of this City Council.
Denise Amid said that, as a citizen she and others have local, state, nallional
and international concerns. She votes for representatives she feels best
represent her concerns for those issues. The Council is a non -:)artisan board
elected to promote the best interests of the City of D.B. She felt that it is
appropriate that the Council reserves its time addressing those issu for
which they were elected. Her political views on national issues are tak an to
Washington by representatives that have been elected to dos . She wi inted
MlHerrera and Council Members to know that she supported their effo Is to
limit this meeting to issues and concerns of this City.
Jerry Hamilton asked residents to support the troops.
Lydia Plunk asked the Council to consider a resolution in support o the
troops and their Commander in Chief.
M/Herrera interjected that Mrs. Plunk was "straying away" from the subject
matter jurisdiction.
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Johnson Lee, 1504 Autumn Hill Rd., said that a few weeks ago, he wrote to
the Mayor about supporting the troops. After considering the issue, he
believed that the Mayor and the Council were correct in explaining why it was
not appropriate to express concerns about the war. He wanted it on the
record that he felt the Mayor was very fair and reacted appropriately to his
and Mr. Meyers' comments. In addition, he felt the street sweeping program
was working well.
Dr. Rhodes believed residents should support the troops. He felt that the
City's stance on appropriate subject matter for Council Meetings was well
stated by the City Attorney. He received an invoice from the Humane Society
charging him $50 instead of the appropriate $20 veterinarian fee indicating
a due date of April 5 along with a cover letter stating his fee payment is late.
The $50 fee is for vicious animals and his animals are not vicious. In
addition, the Humane Society has requested a $200 late fee but April hasn't
arrived yet. He asked the City to look into the matter for him and seek a
resolution to his problem.
4. RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENT: M/Herrera asked Dr. Rhodes
to give his documentation to DCMIDoyle and staff would investigate the
matter.
5. SCHEDULE OF FUTURE EVENTS:
5.1 COMMUNITY FOUNDATION MEETING — March 20, 2003 — 7:00
p.m., Room CC -8 - SCAQMDIGovernment Center, 21865 E. Copley
Dr.
3.2 COUNTY HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND E -WASTE
ROUNDUP — March 22, 2003 — 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m., 1600
Bridgegate Dr.
5.3 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING — March 25, 2003 — 7:00 p.m.
Auditorium, SCAQMDIGovernment Center, 21865 E. Copley Dr.
5.4 PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING — March 27,
2003 — 7:00 p.m., Hearing Board Room, AQMDIGovernment Center,
21865 E. Copley Dr.
5.5 COMPOSTING WORKSHOP — March 29, 2003 —10:00 a.m. —12:00
Noon, Heritage Park Community Center, 2900 S. Brea Canyon Rd.
5.6 BOYS & GIRLS TRACK MEET — March 29, 2003 — 8:20 a.m., Walnut
High School Track, 400 Pierre Rd., Walnut.
5.7 CITY COUNCIL MEETING -- April 1, 2003 — 6:30 p.m., Auditorium,
SCAQMDIGovernment Center, 21865 E. Copley Dr.
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5.8 CITY EASTER EGG HUNT — April 19, 2003 — 8:30 a. —11:0a.m.
— Hunt at 10:00 a.m. Pantera Park, 738 Pantera Dr.
5.9 CITY OF DIAMOND BAR 14TH BIRTHDAY CELEBRAI ION — A ril 27,
2003 —12:00 Noon to 6:00 p.m., Pantera Park, 738 Oantera D .
6. CONSENT CALENDAR: Moved by C/Chang, seconed by C/ irbes
to approve the Consent Calendar. Motion carried by the foll wing Ro I Call
vote:
AYES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Chang, O'Connor, Zirt es, MPT Huff,
M/Herrera
NOES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
ABSENT: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
6.1 APPROVED CITY COUNCIL MINUTES:
6.1.1 Joint Meeting with Traffic and Transportation ommissiOn of
February 25, 2003 — As submitted. II
6.1.2 Regular Meeting of March 4, 2003 —As submi ed.
6.2 RECEIVED AND FILED PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES -
Regular Meeting of February 11, 2003.
6.3 RECEIVED AND FILED PARKS & RECREATION OMMIS ION
MINUTES:
6.3.1 Regular Meeting of January 23, 2003.
6.3.2 Study Session of January 30, 2003.
6.4 APPROVED WARRANTS -dated March 6, 2003 and arch 13,
in an amount totaling $1,006,595.73.
6.5 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO.
01(2003): AMENDING PROVISIONS OF THE CITY'S PURCHAISING
SYSTEM INCREASING THE CITY MANAGER'S SPENDING
AUTHORITY TO $25,000.
6.6 ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 2003-12: A RESOLUTION OF THE
CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DIAMOND BAR APPROVING
PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR TWO PICNICS AELTERS1 AT
PANTERA PARK AND DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO
ADVERTISE FOR THE RECEIPT OF SEALED BIDS; UTHORI ED
USE OF BOND ACT OF 2000 PER CAPITA GRANT FUNDS IN THE
AMOUNT OF $120,000 AND RETURN TO GEN RAL FUND
RESERVES THE $72,600 ALLOCATED IN THE 2002 03 FY
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BUDGET FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT.
6.7 APPROVED CONTRACT AMENDMENT NO.5 WITH DAVID EVANS
AND ASSOCIATES, INC., IN THE AMOUNT OF $21,920 FOR
REMAINING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES RELATED
TO FOUR MEDIAN AND PARKWAY LANDSCAPE
IMPROVEMENTS.
6.8 ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 2003-13: APPROVING PLANS AND
SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL MODIFICATION
PROJECT AT THE INTERSECTION OF GRAND
AVENUE/SHOTGUN LANE (1600 S. GRAND AVE., DIAMOND BAR
COMMUNITY/SENIOR CENTER) AND AUTHORIZING AND
DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO ADVERTISE TO RECEIVE BIDS.
6.9 AWARDED DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND
INSPECTION SERVICES FOR THE AREA 5 SLURRY SEAL AND
ASPHALT RUBBER AND AGGREGATE MEMBRANE (ARAM)
PROJECT TO ADVANCED APPLIED ENGINEERING, INC. IN THE
AMOUNT OF $46,886 AND AUTHORIZED A CONTINGENCY OF
$4,700 FOR CHANGE ORDERS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY
MANAGER FOR A TOTAL AUTHORIZATION AMOUNT OF $51,586.
6.10 ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 2003-14 AUTHORIZING THE CITY
MANAGER, IN RESPONSE TO THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY'S (MTA) 2003
CALL FOR PROJECTS, TO APPLY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION
ENHANCEMENT ACTIVITIES GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$1,000,000 FOR GRAND AVENUE CONSTRUCTION AND
CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING.
7. PUBLIC HEARINGS: None
8. COUNCIL CONSIDERATION:
8.1 CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENTS TO THE STREET SWEEPING
PARKING PROGRAM — Report by CM/Lowry and PWD/Liu.
Allen Mednick said that, while he and his wife support street
sweeping, they have had problems with the current program that is
onerous to residents, their visitors and maintenance workers. Also,
there is no due notice posted on the streets. He recommended the
City adopt an alternate side of the street program to avoid having to
park vehicles entirely out of the affected area. He suggested that the
mailings and communications to residents were inadequate. He did
not receive the promised weekly communication nor the winter
schedule announcement.
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Jerry Hamilton believed the Council would do what was rig t and
encouraged them not to change the code based on i put from about
30 residents.
Audrey Hamilton said that regardless of what alternative the Council
adopts, it would cost a great deal of money. She was concerned
about the state monetary recoveries for this program due to b dget
constraints. There are a number of items on theCity's plate. that
require money and attention and there would always be some
unhappy residents no matter which program the Council adopted. It
seemed to her that residents should take responsibili y for a& ering
to the program and that the $50 ticket helped tweak tl ieir mem ries.
She believed that everyone received annual schedul s in thei City
newsletter.
Walter Tees wanted to hear more about the options Offered by� staff
because the current program does not work satisfact rile. II
Clyde Hennessee agreed with prior speakers that tie
fines
were
somewhat onerous. A few families have five or six
cars and
they
should be able to park on their yards during street swE
eping, He
felt
there had been adequate notification and also believec
that he inight
one day forget and leave his car on the street and ge
a ticket
$50
was too much to pay.
C/Chang felt this matter had been thoroughly discussed duringstudy
sessions. The purpose of the program is to keep the City's st eets
clean and to comply with federal requirements and avoid pene Ities.
On a positive note, the streets are now free of nuisance vehicleE. He
recommended approval of Option No. 1 including a firs time offender
waiver and the purchase of hand-held electronic ticketi ig devices for
Community Service Officer(s), if the cost is in the $20,(00 range. He
felt that signage should be doubled and that there shoo d be alternate
street side parking for high density and commerd I. He fuher
suggested that the penalty be reduced from $50 to $3 .
In response to M/Herrera, PWD/Liu explained the thre� options
Option 1 - Modification of the current program with the following
components:
a) Citywide Signage - changes with variations ranging from a cost
of $12,000 to $200,000. Staff recommended installatic n of
additional signs at a cost of $12,000.
b) School Areas, High -Density Residential Areas Commercial
Areas - changes utilizing a variety of methods within iden ified
pocket areas will require different routes for the contractor and
some will require different days and times within the
neighborhood. Staff recommended revising the program as
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 8 CITY COUNCIL
described in Attachment 1 to the staff report for a total cost of
$32,000. The contractor cost would be $9,000, to be absorbed
in the current 2002-03 budget. Signage costs would be
$23,000.
c) Warning Citation - for first time offender (contractors/service
providers/visitors.
d) Penalty Amount - To reduce penalty amount, a new street
sweeping parking section of the Municipal Code and revision
to the fee schedule at a public hearing is required.
Option 2 - Modification of the current program by decreasing the 51/2 -
hour window to 4 -hour window. Requires a revision to the sweeper's
route, re -timing the schedules and re-signing the City.
a) A 4 -hour window was presented for the current equipment
service level. The minimum signage is estimated at the
entrances to each street or proposed at $97,000, Scenario 2.
Within these new time zones, the schools, the high-density
areas, etc. would be reviewed.
b) The increased cost of the contract is 10% (or less) of the
existing budget of $130,000 - no more than $13,000 yearly.
Option 3 - Modification of the program by alternate side sweeping
(citywide). This requires a revision to the sweeper's route, re -timing
the schedules and re-signing the City.
a) The signage is estimated on each side of the street with cost
estimates from $194,000 to $398,000.
b) The increased cost of the contract is approximately 50% of the
existing budget - or $65,000
c) The proposed amount of this modification is estimated between
$259,000 and $463,000.
C/Zirbes suggested that Council consider each provision within each
option.
MPT/Huff agreed that the fee was too high. He felt $25 or $30 was
more effective overall than $50. He supported increasing signage by
two or three times. He was opposed to an earlier time (option 2), an
inconvenience for people with later schedules. He agreed that the
City should have a waiver for a first-time offender. He felt the purpose
of the program was to take care of the streets and to be neighbor -
friendly at the same time. He believed there was a greater problem
in the area of schools, multi -family residences and commercial areas
that needed to be addressed. He also felt construction personnel,
lawn care personnel, housekeepers and guests fall outside of
accommodations of the current program. Residents face serious
problems on days they take their RV's to their homes to be outfitted
and on days they return to their homes for clean out and he felt the
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 9 CITY
City should permit this type of activity as long as it v
He believed that the alternate side approach would s
problems. Although the up -front cost would be more,
would be reasonable.
CIO'Connor supported C/Zirbes' request to
separately.
NCI
not at used.
,e all of those
e overE II cost
er eachl item
MlHerrera said it appeared that the majority approved of most of the
items in Option 1. Most believe there should be adc itional signage
and the question is, how much signage. Option 1 propos s the
purchase of 98 additional signs at a cost of $12,000.
ClZirbes said he would like to consider signage as
spelled
:)ut in
Option 2 with a sign placed at the entrance to every street.
One
of the
biggest complaints from residents who have received
ickets wE
s that
they could not see the signs and that only one sign wE
s posted
at the
entry into each neighborhood. In addition, there
are numerous
problems associated with attempting to accommodate
guest3
and
service workers and the signage in Option 2 would serve
as e
daily
reminder about their street limitations.
MPT/Huff agreed with ClZirbes. He also believed that
50 additional
signs should be factored in for the long major arterials.
There
have
been 5,235 citations with only 89 forgiven so there are
funds available
to pay for additional signage.
In response to MlHerrera, PWD/Liu explained that
the cost
(new
sign/new post) would be about $130. If the signs soul
be plac
d on
an existing post, the cost would be about $80.
ClChang agreed that more signs should be installed
that $97,000 was too much for the City to spend. U
placed every 100 ft., people would continue to complai
were not visible. The majority of the residents underst
program and a few more signs and a little more ads
solve the problem without spending $97,000. Also, t
waiver for first time offenders, residents should be
program.
ClZirbes felt that the majority of the citations were
residents. He would like to provide citiziens and non -r
daily reminder by having signs posted at the entrance
in each neighborhood. It is not the intent of the
generate revenue. The goal is to clean up the streets
the quality of the water flowing to the ocean.
but hew rried
Mess sigr s are
3 that the signs
ind the current
;rtising s ould
1 includi g the
okay wit the
given to non-
:sidents ith a
to every 3treet
ity Cour cil to
End to im rave
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 10 CITY COUNCIL
Moved by ClZirbes, seconded by MPT/Huff to approve installation of
approximately 800 signs (744 plus 50 additional) to be placed at
entrances of each street. Motion carried by the following Roll Call
vote:
AYES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Zirbes, MPT/Huff, M/Herrera
NOES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Chang, O'Connor,
ABSENT: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
ClZirbes moved, C/Chang seconded to revise the program as
described in Attachment 1 to alternative sides of the street in certain
areas (schools, high-density residential areas and two commercial
areas) and conduct a survey of the multi -family housing areas with
staff conducting neighborhood meetings and deciding accordingly.
CIO'Connor asked which schools would be swept before 7:00 a.m.
Residents living adjacent to schools stated they did not want the
sweeper in their neighborhoods before 7:00 a.m. and she felt it would
be unfair for them to have to suffer that consequence.
PWD/Liu explained that the eight schools swept prior to 7:00 a.m. are
Walnut, Diamond Point, Armstrong, Quail Summit, Maple Hill and
Evergreen. Golden Springs and Castle Rock would be swept after
3:00 p.m.
CIO'Connor wanted to know what staff would do for residents living
across from Diamond Point, Quail Summit, Evergreen and Castle
Rock that have the street sweeper coming by their homes before 7:00
a.m.
PWD/Liu said that in accordance with the Council's direction, staff
would conduct a series of neighborhood meetings to determine the
best course of action.
CIO'Connor believed that residents should not be asked to bear the
responsibility for the City's action and opposed changing street
sweeping around schools to before 7:00 a.m.
Motion carried by the following Roll Call vote:
AYES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Chang, Zirbes, MPT/Huff,
M/Herrera
NOES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - O'Connor
ABSENT: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
Regarding warning citations for first time offenders, contractors,
service providers, visitors, C/Chang moved, seconded by MPT/Huff
to adopt staffs suggestion with a budget limit no higher than $25,000
i
1
MARCH 18, 2003
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for electronic hand-held ticketing devices. The waivler can tl
provided to first time offenders, contractors, service provide
visitors and perhaps for new residents.
i be
and
MPT/Huff suggested that there are two different issues --one is giving
grace for the first offense and the second is a mechanism to
implement that via an electronic hand -hand device. He as ed if
C/Chang would be willing to split the issues.
C/O'Connor asked if, absent the electronic proce s, a firs time
offender would be determined through the appeal pr cess.
CM/Lowry explained that staff would be open to direction from Council
to conduct additional research and identify ways that re waivers stem
could be implemented and administered and to determ ne what i pact
the waiver system would have on the goal of sweepi ig the sheets.
For example, one interesting aspect would be to determinE., how
effective the program would have been to date if 9C% of the 5300
citations issued to date had been waived because they wer3 first
offenses and what would the City's expense be to mair tain and lecord
the data. Accordingly, would the outcome of the research justify the
purchase of the hardware and software to implement the program as
well as the impact to the enforcement routing of the CSOs.
In response to M/Herrera, CM/Lowry indicated that th� City cu
has no system in place to identify first time offenders.
C/O'Connor believed the City should continue usi g the ppeal
process to identify first time offenders until it co ld deter ined
whether there is a software program available that wou d work f r D.B.
C/Zirbes supported C/O'Connor's contention that the �
should be conducted through the appeal system. If tl
to place a sign on every street, the excuse that a ne,
not aware of the program would be a moot point. The
appropriate for a service provider and a non-resident
take advantage of the appeal process. He felt that Cc
better served to consider the types of tickets appropr
The City has done more than many other cities we
educating residents about the street sweeping progran
should not be eligible for the waiver. He would be me
looking at a waiver program promoted by C/Chang anc
dovetailing CIO'Connor's desire to look at the pc
electronic devices to increase the effectiveness of the
aiver program
City is going
resident was
+vaiver is more
vho wisf ed to
ancil wot ild be
ate for w aiver.
ild dot ward
and res dents
e comfo table
MPT/Hu f and
ential um of
CSOs.
MPT/Huff felt that the appeal process solved the pro lem. Tic eting
officers should be allowed some discretion with res ect to s rvice
workers and staff should continue looking for ways to improve he
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 12 CITY COUNCIL
system.
MlHerrera clarified the motion: We're going to give a waiver to service
providers, visiting nurses, etc. First time offenders will use the appeal
process so they may be ticketed. Staff is going to look into the
automatic ticket program and test it to see if the hand-held electronic
devices are suitable to our needs.
C/O'Connor stated that she understood that the Sheriffs Department
is not currently ticketing service providers and asked Lt. Joe Maxey to
explain how the CSOs are handling these types of situation.
Lt. Maxey stated that CSOs and deputies use discretion regarding
service providers, etc. No one has indicated to him that service
providers had been cited.
Allen Mednik reminded Council that the reason he came to speak this
evening was because a service provider was cited at his house this
afternoon.
Motion carried 5-0 by the following Roll Call vote:
AYES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Chang, O'Connor, Zirbes,
MPT/Huff, MlHerrera
NOES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
ABSENT: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
C/Chang moved, seconded by MPT/Huff to lower the penalty charge
from $50 to $30. Motion carried by the following Rall Call vote: (Fine
alteration must go through public hearing and amendment process for
fee resolution before the new penalty could be effective).
AYES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Chang, O'Connor, MPT/Huff,
MlHerrera
NOES: COUNCIL MEMBERS - Zirbes
ABSENT: COUNCIL MEMBERS - None
8.2 PANHANDLE DRIVE SEEPAGE INVESTIGATION REPORT —
presentation by John Lohman and Doug Cook, Kleinfelder & Assoc.
MPT/Huff left the room at 8:52 p.m. and returned at 8:54 p.m.
Mr. Lohman reported that based on their study it is very unlikely that
water would have spilled over from the Pulte Homes Development to
the Panhandle Drive area. It is most likely that the conditions in and
around Panhandle Drive are the result of local seepage or excessive
water derived from nearby lots and slopes, a common occurrence in
D.B.
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 13 CITY COUNCIL
C/Zirbes stated he reviewed the Kleinfelder & Associates report and
conducted his own fieldwork. He asked Mr. Lohman to address the
three fault lines that appeared to originate from the Pulte project and
comment about whether those fault lines could contribute t flow
toward the Panhandle area.
Mr. Lohman responded that it was possible. The three fault lines were
noted during grading of the Pulte tract in the 70's. The fault lines tend
to contribute to the flow of water or cut it off so that it has to go
somewhere else.
ClZirbes commented that there seemed to be some overflow ust to
the north of Crestview that would run off into the V ditch tha runs
along Diamond Bar Boulevard. He asked if in their expert opinion the
Kleinfelder representatives felt that the drainage located on the roject
was correctly placed and installed.
Mr. Lohman indicated there is minor concern about the state of
disrepair of some of the drainage mechanisms. However, it does not
appear to be impeding the drainage. The water is finding its way
down through natural courses to the collection head all at the south
end of D.B. Blvd.
ClZirbes said he found a 1974 document, which referred to a
Geotechnical firm that specifically identified a seepage problemat 750
Panhandle Dr., the Figueroa's lot. Those engineers made
recommendations to the developer of the tract that certain drainage
corrections should be placed on that property. He asked if Kiel elder
knew if drainage devices were installed onto that lot.
Mr. Lohman stated there is no record that drainage corrections were
installed and that is not unusual because these types of items are
handled in the field and taken care of without any comment from the
county.
ClZirbes explained that the Figueroa's have installed d ainage d vices
in their back yard. Did Kleinfelder have an opportunit to obse a the
effectiveness?
Mr. Lohman responded that on numerous occasions they checked
the drainage devices installed in the Figueroa's lot and found it of to
be functioning well due to a blockage near the street. When the
blockage was cleared, the device appeared to be dr6i ping free y.
ClZirbes asked if the devices were improperly installe , could i draw
water and create sogginess and dampness if not prope ly functi ning?
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 14 CITY COUNCIL
Mr. Lohman said it would have some effect in that the system was
improperly installed (not deep enough or not in the correct location).
It would collect water because water will seek its own level rather than
go to a specific point. As long as the drain system has a positive flow,
it should be somewhat beneficial. If it cannot drain fast enough or is
not sloped enough to drain, it would collect and hold water.
C/Zirbes asked why the water now?
Mr. Lohman said it is difficult to answer that question. His firm has
looked at several situations similar to this situation — not only in D.B.
but in Walnut, Rowland Heights, Brea, etc. There is a reason why
these cities have street names like Golden Springs, etc. There is a
natural assemblage of materials that is going to be somewhat
problematic to keep water moving in a steady course. It changes
because some materials block water movement and others facilitate
movement. Therefore, water would show up from time to time. These
situations tend to get most of their water from irrigation in a developed
area. The irrigation water that is put into most homes is far and above
the amount of water gotten through traditional precipitation. When
homeowners water their lawns, they introduce a lot of water into the.
particular ground water regime and eventually, it has to find a way out.
Knowing that the materials beneath the surface are so convoluted it
is anyone's guess as to the path the water takes or how long it takes
to go in one area and come out another. In D.B., the materials are not
uniform so it could take days or months for water to go in one place
and come out another place a few hundred feet away.
Rocio Figueroa thanked the Council for conducting the study. The
study was expensive and extremely informative and still there are a
number of unanswered questions. She met with staff and Kleinfelder
representatives last evening to discuss the study. She felt that if this
were a localized problem it would get worse. People do not tend to
change their watering habits. Her records indicate a fluctuation in the
circumstances. When she mentioned this fact to Mr. Cook yesterday,
he commented that this was not normal behavior. Preliminary
investigation by the WV Water District did not indicate leaks. The
problem began in 2001. There is common knowledge that the fault
under the property provides a path of least resistance for water flow.
She felt that the study did not rule out Pulte as the root cause, the only
factor in a 27 -year old established neighborhood. She felt it was in
the City's best interest to continue pursuit of the source of the
problem. She recommended that Pulte be asked to pave the area
from the collection points to the V -ditch to insure that no water is being
added to the ground water. She appreciated the City's efforts and
hoped the Council understood how disheartening it was for her to
learn the results. Homeowners in the Panhandle area are left with a
problem they never wanted or created and as a result of not learning
L�
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 15 CIT COUN IL
the source of the problem and how to correct it, the homes in her
neighborhood continue to decline in value.
Juvencio Figueroa thanked the Council and staff for thei due
diligence. He was disappointed and upset about the se tence
"Panhandle Drive Seepage Investigation" contained within the -eport
because it was not a Panhandle issue — it is a City of D.B. ISSL e.
George Davidson, Wagon Trail Rd., thanked Council a d staff fc r their
efforts. He wanted the Council to continue the investigation intil a
conclusion was reached and the source of the water was four d. He
asked Kleinfelder if the Pulte development was conclusively
eliminated from being the source of this issue.
John Lohman responded that within the bounds of their investi ation
and knowledge, the likelihood of the Pulte tract development being
responsible for the observed condition in the vicinity o Panhanc le Dr.
is very small. The elements of physics, mechanics, transitivity of
materials of flow through these kinds of bedrock materials lead to
conclusions that would be much more likely — namely, that the -e are
other avenues for this water to go. There is a path of least resistance
the water would follow that would be much more likely to go down D.
B. Blvd. or other locations than to cross the low-lying point bak into
these materials and in some cases, uphill to the Panhandle Dr. area.
Mr. Davidson said that even though the probability is low, the
probability of a 27 or 28 -year old community suddenly experiencing a
localized water flow problem appearing out of nowhere a year and a
half ago would be low as well. Nothing should be ruled out. He asked
if anyone has measured the amount of water that flows thro gh a
drainage ditch pointed out on the overhead. He unde stood that one
of the problems with conducting a simple dye test was that it was
expensive and that the results might be inconclush,e becau a as
water flows through, the dye could be filtered out. He won ered
whether the dye test could be conducted now that 1he faults have
been identified. He asked Council to continue investigating this
matter.
Laura Jurkosky, Wagon Trail Rd., said she understoc d that thi was
a survey that only touched the surface. She has lived in herhOLsefor
over 20 years and has never had a water problem. After Pulte, built
homes she had to take her patio down because t e cemer t pad
suffered huge cracks. Her driveway used to be flat. No her
driveway slopes and portions are lifting. The walls oi her house are
cracking and the counters in her house are coming loose fro the
wall. She has observed half a street width of water coming dov Fri the
street from the Pulte development. She asked Council to keep
searching for an answer.
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 16 CITY COUNCIL
C/Zirbes stated that "we've looked at this, we've analyzed this, we've
reached out, we've hired a professional consultant in Kleinfelder, who
has advised you. Certainly, we feel for the people who live in that
area. I don't know if we have a conclusive answer as to where the
water is coming from and I don't know where the line gets drawn but
we're elected by the people of this City and the residents of D.B. to
make sure they're provided a safe and enjoyable quality of life, so I'm
not really sure what staff wants to recommend to the Council at this
point in time as to what, if any, steps should be taken by the City from
this evening."
CA/Jenkins explained that the City is responsible for the provision of
certain types of services to assure a quality of life and it does provide
those services. The City is not a guarantor of each and every person's
private property. Judging from the expert written and oral testimony,
he did not see any public purpose in further expenditure of public
taxpayer dollars on this problem. While he understood and
empathized with Mr. Zirbes' statement about this being a difficult
problem for the people involved, it is not a public issue — this is a
problem on private property. Our experts have determined that the
possibility of the water coming from the Pulte development is
"extremely remote." Public facilities are not at issue, they are not in
danger, the City is not responsible for the issue and staff is
recommending that the Council take no further action and leave it to
the private property owners to address. As the City's legal counsel,
he concurred with staff's recommendation.
CIO'Connor explained that she has lived in her home since 1977 and
the cracks that she repaired have returned. She has a cracked patio
and there is water running down her street. She further explained that
there were areas throughout the City that suffered from water
seepage. While she appreciated the information provided by
Kleinfelder & Associates, she believed that homeowners were
ultimately responsible for their homes. She lives on a "failed" lot and
has a crack running the distance of her foundation. As a homeowner,
she must assume responsibility for the damage to her residence.
M/Herrera said the City has researched the issue and found that there
is no clear evidence that the water is coming from the Pulte
development. The City has spent considerable public funds to
investigate the matter. Staff and legal counsel have recommended
that no further public funds should be spent on this issue and this
subject is now closed.
8.3 CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTING A CITY COUNCIL CODE OF
ETHICS OR CODE OF CONDUCT.
MlHerrera proposed that a Council subcommittee be formed to study
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 17 CITYCOUNGIL
the matter of adopting a City Council Code of Ethics
or Conc
uct of
Conduct. She appointed MPT/Huff as Chair and upon
C/O'Co
nor's
declining the appointment, indicated that she would serve
as the
other
member of the subcommittee. They will bring their recommendations
to a future Council meeting for consideration.
9. COUNCIL SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTSICOUNCIL MEMBER
COMMENTS:
M/Herrera stated that her son, who serves as a Captain in the
Army, is
home
on a 24-hour leave. He spent the evening with the rest of her
family arid
she
has not been able to be with him. "God Bless America and
God bless
our
Children." She turned the meeting over to MPT/Huff and left
the mee
ing at
9:47 p.m.
C/Chang stated that on March 11, he visited the senior group.
They
anted
to know the status of the Community/Senior Center. He tol
them th
t the
center should be completed sometime between December
and February
2004. He commended DCM/Doyle and his staff for their
dedicat
on to
moving forward with construction of the center. He walked
the sit
with
DCM/Doyle and found everything to be moving along s
oothly.
The
retaining wall was up and cement was poured. This week ar
d next week,
a
great deal more cement will be poured. He and other Co
attended Arbor Day festivities at Pantera Elementary School.
ncil Members
The scho
I has
been open for about six months and this was the first public a
ent held
here.
He was pleasantly surprised at how well behaved and intellig
nt the students
were. He congratulated the principal and teachers for a job
well d
ne.
Regarding public comments, he felt the issue was not abc
ut the w
ir but
about freedom of speech and how the Council handles public:
speakin
. He
supported the President and the troops and hoped the troops
come
iome
safely; however, this is not really a subject for the Council agenda.
C
uncil
has always let residents and non-residents speak on
any sub
ect.
Sometimes speakers are from overseas. There is a five-minute
time limit
on
public speaking. If that is too long, the Council can change
it. Now,
one
person comes to the podium and we literally do not let him speak
aSSL
ming
subjectively that he has something he wants to say that
is outsid
the
jurisiction of the Council. As much as he disagreed with
the spez
ker's
opinion on what he might want to talk about, he believed the
peaker s
iould
be allowed to express his opinion. This Council supports sta
a and na
Tonal
issues through resolutions and all of a sudden it said no to pubic
speec
. He
did not agree with the way in which the matter was handled.
Whe
i the
towers in New York were destroyed everyone expressed their
opiniot
and
pain. Everyone supported the country and we let people
alk abou
this
issue. Is his subject within D.B.'s jurisdiction? Additionally,
how wi
I this
Council handle all public comments from this time forward?
This Council
cannot monitor or control what people talk about. This country
res
ects
people's right to express their opinion regardless of whether
we agr
a or
disagree. This Council has spoken about state and national
issues inany
times. The Council has attended national conferences and is
IresponsiTle
to
respect people's opinion. If speakers misbehave, we have tho
right to
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 18 CITY COUNCIL
interrupt their speech and carry on with the meeting. To subjectively deny a
person the right to speak is not right. We can let people speak and then
move on with the Council's business. In his opinion, at no time was the
Council meeting out of control and unfocused.
C/Zirbes agreed with C/Chang about freedom of speech. When the speaker
wanted to speak on a matter outside the Council's purview, he was willing to
give him his five minutes. However, he understood the Mayor's position that
allowing such discussion could create an opportunity to spend a significantly
longer period of time than the five-minute allocation discussing this matter.
He supported the Mayor's decision and appreciated CA/Jenkins opinion.
Over the past couple of weeks, he has been very busy. He reminded
everyone that this Saturday evening the Miss D. B. Pageant would take place
in the Mt. San Antonio auditorium. Tickets will be available at the door. He
congratulated Mr. Chang and his wife for the work done on behalf of the
Western College of Medicine. He asked Council to consider adjourning the
meeting in support of D.B. residents who are engaged in the Middle East
struggle.
C/O'Connor attended the WCCA meeting on March 5. She advised Council
that the Joint Powers Authority allowing LA County to join the WCCA Board
is awaiting L. A. County Counsel approval after which the matter comes back
to each of the member cities for approval. She attended the National League
of Cities held in Washington D.C. last week. She attended many seminars
regarding homeland security. She would like the City to pursue the grant
program "Assistance to Firefighters" that provides funding for equipment and
training. A Torrance Council Member asked whether the cities that contract
with L.A. County Fire could apply for the grants or if the county had to apply.
A response will be forthcoming. The Mayor is the presiding officer of Council
meetings. Whether she agrees or disagrees, if the Mayor chooses to adhere
to a policy that Council adopted it is her prerogative.
MPT/Huff reported that while the National League was meeting he attended
the Annual American Public Transportation Association in Washington, D.C.
In addition to the meetings, he met with congressional representatives and
staff members to plea the case for the gold line for the Council of
Governments for Foothill Transit. The purpose was to seek grant funding to
assist cities in the region to obtain funds to help partner with cities for
structured parking lots for use with Park `n Ride. That program was funded
and more information is forthcoming from Foothill Transit. This item is
particularly critical this year because it is the start of the five or six year T21
process. The Alameda Corridor East became the single largest beneficiary
at the last five year program in garnering $140 million. This year, the
representatives were seeking $200 million. Congressman Dave Dreier is on
board with the program. He serves as Chairman of the very powerful Rules
Committee. All of the region's congressional delegation is behind the
program. He and C/O'Connor met with Congressman Gary Miller who is a
staunch supporter of regional programs. MPT/Huff said he firmly believed
MARCH 18, 2003 PAGE 19 CIT
COUN
IL
that the Mayor's actions regarding public speech was right,
1.1ven though
he
probably would have let the man speak. He felt that the Ma
for was leading
the meeting according to City written and public policies.
In this country,
people are free to speak their thoughts and beliefs but that
does not
mean
the Council meeting is the forum for such expression. The
Mayor
ade a
tough call and he backed her decision.
10. ADJOURNMENT: There being no further busi iess to cc nduct,
MPT/Huff adjourned the meeting at 10:11 p.m. in honor oft ie Mayor's son
and the other military troops supporting our nation in the Mii Idle East
ATTEST:
CAROL HERRERA, MAYOR
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LYNDA BURGESS, CITY CLERK