HomeMy WebLinkAbout4/29/1993CITY OF DIAMOND BAR
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
APRIL 29, 1993
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Flamenbaum called the meeting to order at
7:11 p.m. at the South Coast Air Quality Management
District Auditorium, 218-65 E. Copley Drive, Diamond
Bar, California.
PLEDGE OF
The audience was led in the Pledge of Allegiance by
ALLEGIANCE:
Community Development Director James DeStefano.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioners: Plunk, Li, and Chairman Flamenbaum.
Commissioner Grothe arrived at 9:00 p.m. vice
Chairman Meyer was absent (excused).
Also present were Community Development Director
James DeStefano, Associate Planner Rob Searcy, City
Attorney Bill Curley, and Contract Recording
Secretary Liz Myers.
CONTINUED
Hardy Strozier, Project Manager, reported that
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
staff's presentation of the various elements of the
Master Plan, and the technical elements of the
General Plan
proposed grading concepts, concluded at the last
Amendment 92-2;
public hearing of April 26, 1993. The developers
DA 92-1, 2, and 3;
had also, during that meeting, presented their
Vesting TT Map
respective projects within the proposed South
51407, CUP 92-8 &
Pointe Master Plan area. Tonight, staff would
OT 92-8; ZC 91-2 &
recommend that the Planning Commission consider a
OT 91-2; TT Map
consistency analysis of the proposed South Pointe
51253 & CUP 92-12;
Master Plan to the City's General Plan, under
OT 92-9; SP Master
Ordinance #4, and then it is recommended that the
Plan; & EIR 92-1
Commission review, the Master Plan. Staff has
reviewed the City's General Plan, under Ordinance
#4, and concluded, in the January 25, 1993 staff
report, that the South Pointe Project was
consistent with the City's General Plan.
Chair/ Flamenbaum, noting that the public had not
finished giving testimony at the April 26, 1993
public hearing, stated that he had not anticipated
discussing anything related to the General Plan
this evening.
C/Li suggested that the public first be allowed to
address their comments to the Commission, then,
upon conclusion of those comments, the Planning
Commission can then consider General Plan
consistency.
Chair/Flamenbaum suggested that the public also be
allowed to comment about General Plan consistency.
C/Plunk concurred with Chair/Flamenbaum. She then
requested an executive session, pursuant to the
Brown Act, regarding how this fits into the pending
litigation, if deemed necessary.
April 29, 1993 Page 2
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the public hearing
opened.
Max Maxwell; residing at 3211 Bent Twig, stated
that he would like to hear staff's conclusion on
how this project relates to the General Plan,
especially since the General Plan is in the process
of revision. He then stated that Dr. Beier was
misquoted in the letter submitted by Pacific
Southwest Biology Services, Inc., regarding the
conclusions made concerning the presence of cougars
in the'Canyon, and that Dr. Beier will be sending a
letter clarifying the proper information. He
questioned why such a correspondence arrived
following the review of the draft EIR. He then
requested a written response from CDD/DeStefano
regarding a question he raised at the last meeting
concerning the status of the EIR.
C/Li suggested that it would have been more
beneficial if Mr. Maxwell had actually had that
letter now to present to the Commission and the
City so that the information can be verified.
Max Maxwell explained that he recently received
this information, and he will submit it to the City
upon receiving it.
Vinod Kashyap, residing at 21452 Chirping Sparrow
Road, pointed out that the draft EIR has been
available as an item of public record for some time
now, and Mr. Maxwell had ample time to review the
information. It appears Mr. Maxwell has been
negligent in not studying the EIR, and waiting to
this last moment to discuss inconsistencies for the
purpose of perhaps delaying the project.
Don Schad, residing at 1824 Shaded Wood Road,
requested verification if the grading process for
the project will take almost 10 years. This
project is not consistent with the original General
Plan, as recommended by the General Plan Advisory
Committee (GPAC). The General Plan, which is
currently under revision and is being used as a
guideline, is totally inadequate for the following
reasons: the land designation recommended by the
GPAC was 1DU/2.5 acres, compared to 3.2DU/acre as
indicated in the current draft General Plan, which
is what this present project is based upon; the
General Plan recommended by -GPAC suggested
clustered housing, but clustered housing has not
been identified at all in this'project, nor in the
current draft General Plan; and the current draft
General Plan was 3.2DU/acres or plus, depending
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upon on geological factors, and GPAC!s General Plan
recommended preserving all natural wilderness areas
to the extent possible so that there would be no
islands leaving wildlife trapped.
Ernid Gasowitz, 1644 Chapel Hill Drive, Walnut,
stated that, in August of 1978, the Los Angeles
Regional Planning Commission denied a request for a
Conditional Use permit with the understanding that
the area was unstable for this type of development,
and assuring a group of property owners, called
Emerald Hills at that time, that there would
probably be no more development in the canyons. In
response to Chair/Flamenbaum, he agreed to submit a
copy of the article to staff.
Vinod Kashyap pointed out that if Mr. Gasowitz was
referring to the slip planes, that issue was
addressed adequately at the last meeting.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum
declared the public hearing closed.
C/Plunk read the portion of the letter from Pacific
Southwest Biological Services, Inc., as referred to
by Mr. Maxwell. She pointed out that the
information provided is general information.
Max Maxwell clarified that there was no conducted
survey west of the 57, as indicated, and that the
Orange County Cooperative Mountain Lion Study did
not come to the conclusions stated in the letter.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the staff report provided
to the Commission this evening is the same staff
report presented to the Commission for the April
26, 1993 meeting, which is an updated version of
the report provided to the Commission for the
meeting of April 12, 1993. The reference
discussion regarding the cougar issue from the
Pacific Southwest Biological Service, Inc. was
included in the April 12, 1993 report. In regards
to Mr. Maxwell's inquiry regarding the status of
the EIR, CDD/DeStefano explained that the EIR has
not been certified, nor has the Planning Commission
made a decision on the EIR for this project, but
merely set aside the document in order to further
study the project details. The Commission will be
j revisiting the .EIR in the future, whether the
project is denied or approved. Furthermore, the
whole project, and the EIR, will be reviewed by the
City Council.
April 29, 1993 Page 4
Chair/Flamenbaum requested Hardy Strozier to review
how it was determined that the project is
consistent with the General Plan.
Hardy Strozier referred the Commission to page 32
of the January 25, 1993 staff report which reviews
a Goal and an objective analysis through the
General Plan as it relates to the proposed South
Pointe Master Plan.
CDD/DeStefano reminded the Commission that, at the
time the January 25, 1993 report was prepared, the
City did have an adopted General Plan, and that on
March 16, 1993, the City Council rescinded that
adoption. Hardy Strozier will be outlining the
goals, policies, and strategies of what is now
oalled•the draft General Plan.
Hardy Strozier; in response to Chair/Flamenbaum's
inquiry, stated that he has not been part of the
General Plan revision process. He then proceeded
to read the January 25, 1993 staff report which
outlined the project's consistency with the General
Plan. It is staff's opinion that the South Pointe
Master Plan is completely consistent with the draft
General Plan.
Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 8:07 p.m.
The meeting was reconvened at 8:18 p.m.
Chair/Flamenbaum, referring to page 35, appendix
"A" of the January 25, 1993 staff report, the
Housing Goals, inquired how the City will be
complying with the Housing Element for moderate to
low incomes, as required by State law, if the
proposed homes are estimated to sell for $350,000
to $400,000 dollars.
Hardy Strozier explained that the State law
requires cities to provide a broad range of housing
opportunities, to include a certain percentage of
number of housing units in the very low, low,
moderate, and upper income categories. The law
does not require that there be components of these
four housing categories in every project. This
project, which provides housing opportunities in
the moderate and upper income categories, does meet
those goals. Low, and very low income
opportunities are usually provided in cities
through the attainment of apartment projects, or
affordable condominiums projects.
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Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if it is feasible to
require mixed housing in the commercial areas of
this project.
Hardy Strozier explained that such land use
components are usually found in very urbanized
areas because they have the land value that can
afford those types of building improvements to go
multi story. Such a situation, or land values, are
not found in Diamond Bar today. If this were
required on the commercial portion of the project,
in staff's opinion, the project would be doomed to
failure.
CDD/DeStefano pointed out that the 34 unit town
home project, at Golden Springs and Torito Lane,
recently approved by the Planning Commission and
the City Council, could be an example of a project
that might fit into the moderate to low income
category, based upon the product type and the
anticipated price range. Furthermore, the Housing
Element of the General Plan, strategy 1.1.1, on
page II -20, does indicate that commercial/ office
developments, which propose residential components,
should be considered but only where feasible and
appropriate. Such a mix use concept would have to
be determined on a case by case basis, and, as
Hardy Strozier pointed out, those are most likely
to occur in Diamond Bar's more urbanized areas.
Hardy Strozier, in response to Chair/Flamenbaum,
explained that the policy regarding the consistency
of the project to the preservation and conservation
of existing housing stock is inapplicable to the
project.
Chair/Fla enbaum, referring to one of the goals in
the Resou�ce Management Element, inquired how it
was determined that grading, as well as the removal
of all the trees, maintain the open space system
which preserves scenic beauty and protects
important biological resources.
Hardy Strozier explained that, based on
professional experience, it was felt that the
Master Plan design has a very strong balance of
open space uses, up to and including the
preservation of a fair amount of existing natural
areas, anc that it also had a very efficient open
space linkage system. From a master planning
standpoint, it was felt that this is an exemplary
design of a balancing of land uses, not dwelling on
the total preservation or total development, but a
fine mix. The Master Plan proposes an
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overabundance of open space preservation when bill''
measured against the standards set forth in .the
General Plan and the local codes. Hardy Strozier
then reviewed the following areas that have been
preserved: there is a large existing open space
expanse, Cross Section "G", that is being
essentially preserved on the edges of the Arciero
tract; there is approximately 60 feet of natural
terrain, in Cross Section "C"; there is an area off
the edge of Brea Canyon Road, in Cross Section "B",
that is very natural; and there is a large expanse
of natural terrain adjacent to Brea Canyon Road and
the Arciero Tract.
Jan Dabney, 671 Brea Canyon Road, in response to
Chair/ Flamenbaum's inquiry as to what percentage of
land mass will remain unscathed for preservation -
purposes, stated that under 200 of the 78 acres
owned by RnP remains unscathed, and about 20% of
the 40 acres owned by Arciero was set aside in it's
natural state as it adjoins adjacent property.
Jim Budke, representing Mr. Patel, stated that
about 5% or less of the 6.7 acres owned by Sasak
will be left in it's natural state.
Chair/Flamenbaum, referring to the Physical
Mobility Element, then inquired if the consistency
findings would remain the same if Rapid View,
Larkstone, and Morning Sun were opened.
Hardy Strozier stated that the City traffic
engineer and the consulting traffic engineer both
have indicated that there would be very little
relative benefit derived from opening Rapid View
because very little traffic would be utilizing that
street. By putting in street "A", from Brea Canyon
Road, an unloaded collector is provided for school
buses and other such traffic, providing a more
efficient, shorter, and a safer connection to that
school, Morning Sun would be the best choice for a
secondary access point, which may be required for
safety purposes, because it is less attractive due
to the various curves in the road. Larkstone would
be a more direct route, however, if one of the
objectives is to discourage through traffic through
residential neighborhoods, it would be safer and
more consistent to close Larkstone, and to let
Street "A" serve it. It is our plan to discourage
the connection through Larkstone.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the General Plan does
have a specific clause that discusses the integrity
of existing residential neighborhoods, and the
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=.. discouragement of through traffic. Opening Rapid
View, which is a direct link to Colima, and opening
Larkstone, which is a direct link to Colima as well
as Lemon, would not be, in staff's opinion,
consistent with the Goals as they have been
written, and the vision as it was crafted through
the various review processees of the General Plan.
Rapid View and Larkstone have the potential to
become another Morning Sun and Rolling Knoll/Quail
Summit situation where it could become a cut
through to avoid the intersection of Golden Springs
and Brea Canyon Road, and to avoid the congestion
of the freeway on ramp near the Jack in the Box
facility.
Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if the Sasak project,
which projects no opening to the rest of the
project, is consistent with the General Plan.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the Sasak property, which
is on the boundary line of Diamond Bar and Rowland
Heights, and is on the boundary of the Walnut and
-, Rowland Heights School District, would probably be
iinconsistent with the General Plan because it does
not have access, or design orientation, towards
these larger areas.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing
opened.
Joyce Hill, residing at 1836 Shaded Wood Road, made
the following comments: residents on Shaded Wood
road overlook the canyon, and a wall will not help
mitigate problems associated with construction; if
the park is to be a noise mitigation measure, as
indicated at the April 26, 1993 meeting, does that
mean that the park will be higher in elevation than
the commercial area; if the park will be that much
higher than the commercial, than why is the hill
being cut off since it is currently a noise
mitigation measure for existing homes, not the
proposed home; and should the project be
recommended for approval since air quality
standards will be exceeded, and health hazards will
be present.
Carolyn Elfelt, residing at 2119 Silver Cloud,
r emphasized how critical it is to get the South
Pointe Middle School built immediately to help our
�> children become healthy, happy, productive adults.
Elizabeth Hodges, residing at 1604 Morning Sun,
responding to the video shown at the April 26, 1993
meeting demonstrating the conditions at the South
April 29, 1993
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Pointe Middle School, stated "that though the Pi`'''
condition of the school is a concern, the real
issue involves the aspects of the project. Many of
the schools in the area consist of portables, and
many have traffic problems, making it the norm not
the exception.
Vinod Kashyap stated that because the problems
associated with the South Pointe Middle School
exist elsewhere, does not make it the norm.
Children should not be taught to accept substandard
conditions. Delaying the project, as some are
attempting to do, hurt the children_. The project
should go forth expeditiously.
George Barret, residing at 1880 Shaded Wood Road,
pointed out that 90% of the schools are
substandard, and most have the traffic problems
associated with the South Pointe Middle School.
Adding 200 more homes will not improve that traffic
problem, but increase traffic and the amount of
students in our already over crowded schools.
There does not need to be a development in order to
get the school constructed. The Walnut School
District is aware of this and will be in court with
Arciero on June 22, 1993.
Clair Harmony, residing at 24139 Alfamado Lane,
expressed the following concerns: though the
Hillside ordinance was designed to preserve
hillside, and the Oak Tree Ordinance was designed
to preserve those trees, the, City keeps issuing
CUP's allowing developers an opportunity to get
around those ordinances, thereby defeating it's
purpose; the tract maps, related to the
Pathfinder's Homeowners Association, indicate that
those parcels are not to be built on, and have been
dedicated as open space; such a dedication was a
trade off for the density allowed for the
Pathfinder development, therefore the project is
actually developing double density over the
permitted use of density, which is not consistent
with the General Plan; and the Walnut School
District has the responsibility to maintain it's
facilities.
Sherry Roberts, residing at 2660 Broken Feather,
inquired if it is illegal for motorists to enter
into the Quail Summit neighborhood.,
Chair/Flamenbaum explained that it is not illegal
to enter into the Quail Summit neighborhood, but
illegal to turn right on to Grand Ave. from Rolling
April 29, 1993 Page 9
Knoll between the hours of 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
Monday through Friday.
Sherry Roberts then expressed the following
concerns: the access to the school is a safety
hazard; another access to the school is needed
besides the one coming off of Brea Canyon Road; and
all of South Pointe Middle School consists of
portables, and it does not have the equipment or
facilities as other Middle Schools have that we
compete with.
CDD/DeStefano, in response to C/Li, stated that
financing for the Middle School is in place, and
the plans prepared by the School District have been
approved by the State. The project is awaiting
construction bid and a specific target date for
actual construction activity.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing
closed.
Chair/Flamenbaum recess the meeting at 9:45 p.m..
The meeting was reconvened at 9:55 p.m..
Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if the Commission is
prepared to discuss General Plan consistency. If
the Commission is ready, he stated that he would
prefer discussion not be brought to a closure since
VC/Meyer was absent from the meeting, and C/Grothe
missed -a good portion of the presentation and
discussion.
C/Li stated that he feels that the Commission
should continue on, at this point, and discuss
General Plan consistency.
C/Grothe stated that, since he did not arrive until
9:00 p.m., he would prefer to review the tapes of
the meeting prior to his arrival before making a
decision on General Plan consistency.
C/Plunk stated that she feels that the proposed
plan is generally consistent with the General Plan.
She made the following comments: she would prefer
to see Larkstone open; Morning Sun should not be
affected solely by the traffic; one street
r servicing the School is not acceptable; the
secondary road needs to be at a safe grade; the
area has a public safety problem in it's current
configuration, where wild land meets urban area in
an interface, which is a similar condition that
caused the tragedy from the Berkeley fire; it is a
beautiful open space area, however, it is privately
April 29, 1993 Page 10
owned and the responsibility of the developer; the
conditions at South Pointe Middle School are
substandard, and the traffic situation is worse
than any other school in Diamond Bar; there is a
concern whether the School meets earthquake
standards; and there is a need to address, very
specifically, the noise mitigation and the AQMD
issues.
Chair/Flamenbaum stated that he feels that the
project is not completely consistent with the draft
General Plan, though it is generally consistent.
Though he would prefer to leave the canyon as is,
weighing the pros and cons, he concurs that it
meets the requirements and that it's benefits do
outweigh it's detriments. There may be a concern
that as a policy issue, the City may not be doing
what is right in terms of managing our resources,
however, it must be recognized those resources are
not owned by the City. There does not seem to be
an issue regarding cougars, the horned lizard, or
the gnat catcher. The Middle School is a secondary
issue as far as whether or not this project should
approved, however, it's development is linked to
the project, specifically regarding the dirt
remaining on the site.
C/Grothe pointed out that the project can be
interpreted either way, to be consistent or
inconsistent. For example, a CUP is needed for the
Hillside Ordinance in order to make this plan work.
However, the trade offs to the City is a permanent
School, a substantial size park, and 10 acres of
commercial land, which will increase the City's
revenues thereby enhancing the quality of life. In
order to preserve that area entirely, the options
available are to either buy the property, pass a
bond issue for the City to buy it, or get a
conservancy to buy it.
C/Plunk inquired if a motion of the Commission is
necessary.
DA/Curley stated that a motion would indicate a
final action, therefore, a consensus of the
Commission is preferred.
Motion was made by C/Li, seconded by C/Plunk and ,..
CARRIED to direct staff to draft a Resolution that
the project is generally consistent with the draft ?.j
General Plan, to include the minor amendments LJ
mentioned.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Plunk and Li.
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April 29, 1993
INFORMATION
ITEMS:
ADJOURNMENT:
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NOES: COMMISSIONERS: Chair/Flamenbaum.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: Grothe.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Meyer.
The Planning Commission then concurred not to
discuss the Master Plan tonight, but to continue
that discussion to the meeting of May 10, 1993 at
7:00 p.m..
CDD/DeStefano reported that the next community
workshop for the General Plan process for revision
is scheduled for May 1, 1993 9:00 a.m. to 12:00
p.m. at Chaparral Middle -School. He reported that
a summary comment was presented to the participants
of the community workshop at the April 28, 1993
meeting. Staff will provide a copy of those
comments to anyone desiring one.
Motion was made by C/Li, seconded by C/Plunk and
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to adjourn the meeting at 10:21
p.m.
Attest:
Bruce Flamenbaum
Chairmany
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Secretary
Hardy Strozier, Project Manager, reported that
UBLIC HEARINGS: taff Is presentation of the various elements of the
Master Plan, and the technical elements of the
CITY OF DIAMOND BAR MINUTES OF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION
proposed grading concepts, concluded at the last
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Flamenbaum called the meeting to order at 7:11 p.m. at the South Coast Air
Quality Management District Auditorium, 218-65 E. Copley Drive, Diamond Bar,
California.
amendment 92-2; public hearing of April 26, 1993. The developers
PLEDGE OF The audience was led in the Pledge of Allegiance by ALLEGIANCE: Community Development
Director James DeStefano.
A 92-1, 2, and 3; had also, during that meeting, presented their
ROLL CALL: commissioners: Plunk, Li, and Chairman Flamenbaum. Commissioner Grothe arrived at 9:00 p.m.
vice Chairman Meyer was absent (excused).
esting TT Map Irespective projects within the proposed South
Also present were Community Development Director James DeStefano,
Associate Planner Rob Searcy, City Attorney Bill Curley, and Contract Recording
Secretary Liz Myers.
1407, CUP 92-8 & rointe Master Plan area. Tonight, staff would
CONTINUED
T 92-8; ZC 91-2 & Irecommend that the Planning commission consider a
Chair/ Flamenbaum, noting that the public had not finished giving testimony at the
April 26, 1993 public hearing, stated that he had not anticipated discussing
anything related to the General Plan this evening.
T 91-2; TT Map konsistency analysis of the proposed South Pointe
C/Li suggested that the public first be allowed to address their comments to the
Commission, then, upon conclusion of those comments, the Planning
Commission can then consider General Plan consistency.
1253 & CUP 92-12; Master Plan to the City's General Plan, under
Chair/Flamenbaum suggested that the public also be allowed to comment about
General Plan consistency.
C/Plunk concurred with Chair/Flamenbaum. She then requested an executive
session, pursuant to the Brown Act, regarding how this fits into the pending
litigation, if deemed necessary.
T 92-9; SP Master rdinance #4, and then it is recommended that the
Ian; & EIR 92-1 ommission review, the Master Plan. Staff has
eviewed the City's General Plan, under ordinance
4, and concluded, in the January 25, 1993 staff
,eport, that the South Pointe Project was
onsistent with the City's General Plan.
Chair/ Flamenbaum, noting that the public had not finished giving testimony at the
April 26, 1993 public hearing, stated that he had not anticipated discussing
anything related to the General Plan this evening.
C/Li suggested that the public first be allowed to address their comments to the
Commission, then, upon conclusion of those comments, the Planning
Commission can then consider General Plan consistency.
Chair/Flamenbaum suggested that the public also be allowed to comment about
General Plan consistency.
C/Plunk concurred with Chair/Flamenbaum. She then requested an executive
session, pursuant to the Brown Act, regarding how this fits into the pending
litigation, if deemed necessary.
April 29, 1993 Page 2
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the public hearing opened.
Max Maxwell/' residing at 3211 Bent Twig, stated that he would like to hear staff's
conclusion on how this project relates to the General Plan, especially since the
General Plan is in the process of revision. He then stated that Dr. Beier was
misquoted in the letter submitted by Pacific Southwest Biology Services, Inc.,
regarding the conclusions -made concerning the presence of cougars in
the,canyon, and that Dr. Beier will be sending a letter clarifying them proper
information. He questioned why such a correspondence arrived following the
review of the draft EIR. He then requested a written response from
CDD/DeStefano regarding a question he raised at the last meeting concerning
the status of the EIR.
C/Li suggested that it would have been more beneficial if Mr. Maxwell had
actually had that letter now to present to the Commission and the City so that the
information can be verified.
Max Maxwell explained that he recently received this information ' and he will submit it
to the City upon receiving it.
Vinod Kashyap, residing at 21452 Chirping Sparrow Road, pointed out that the
draft EIR has been available as an item of public record for some time now, and
Mr. Maxwell had ample time to review the information. It appears Mr. Maxwell
has been negligent in not studying the EIR, and waiting to this last moment to
discuss inconsistencies for the purpose of perhaps delaying the project.
Don Schad, residing at 1.824 Shaded Wood Road, requested verification if the
grading process for the project will take almost 10 years. This project is not
consistent with the original General Plan, as recommended by the General Plan
Advisory Committee (GPAC). The General Plan, which is currently under revision
and is being used as a guideline, is totally inadequate for the following reasons:
the land designation recommended by the GPAC was 1 DU/2.5 acres, compared
to 3.2DU/acre as indicated in the current draft General Plan, which is what this
present project is 'based upon; the General Plan recommended by-GPAC
suggested clustered housing, but clustered housing has not been identified at all
in this'project, nor in the current draft General Plan; and the current draft General
Plan was 3.2DU/acres or plus, depending
April 29, 1993 Page 3
upon on geological factors, and GPACts General Plan recommended preserving
all natural wilderness areas to the extent possible so that there would be no
islands leaving wildlife trapped.
Ernid Gasowitz, 1644 Chapel Hill Drive, Walnut, stated that, in August of 1978,
the Los Angeles Regional Planning Commission denied a request for a
Conditional Use permit with the understanding that the area was unstable for this
type of development, and assuring a group of property owners, called Emerald
Hills at that time, that there would probably be no more development in the
canyons. In response to Chair/Flamenbaum, he agreed to submit a copy of the
article to staff.
Vinod Kashyap pointed out that if Mr. Gasowitz was referring to the slip planes,
that issue was addressed adequately at the last meeting.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Fla-menbaum
declared the public hearing closed.
C/Plunk read the portion of the letter from Pacific Southwest Biological Services,
Inc., as referred to by Mr. Maxwell. She pointed out that the information provided
is general information.
Max Maxwell clarified that there was no conducted survey west of the 57, as
indicated, and that the Orange County Cooperative Mountain Lion Study did not
come to the conclusions stated in the letter.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the staff report provided to the Commission this
evening is the same staff report presented to the Commission for the April 26,
1993 meeting, which is an updated version of the report provided to the
Commission for the meeting of April 12, 1993. The reference discussion
regarding the cougar issue from the Pacific Southwest Biological Service, Inc.
was included in the April 12, 1993 report. In regards to Mr. Maxwell's inquiry
regarding the status of the EIR, CDD/DeStefano explained that the EIR-has not
been certified, nor has the Planning commission made a decision on the EIR for
this project, but merely set aside the document in order to further study the
project details. The Commission will be revisiting the EIR in the future, whether
the project is denied or approved. Furthermore, the whole project, and the EIR,
will be reviewed by the City Council.
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Chair/ Flamenbaum requested Hardy Strozier to review how it was determined that the -
project is consistent with the General Plan.
Hardy Strozier referred the Commission to page 32 of the January 25, 1993 staff
report which reviews a Goal and an objective analysis through the General Plan
as it relates to the proposed South Pointe Master Plan.
CDD/DeStefano reminded the Commission that, at the time the January 25, 1993
report was prepared, the City did have an adopted General Plan, and that on
March 16, 1993, the City Council, rescinded that adoption. Hardy Strozier will be
outlining the goals, policies, and strategies of what is now called -the draft
General Plan.
Hardy Strozier in response to Chair/Flamenbaum's inquiry, stated that he has not
been part of the General Plan revision process. He then proceeded to read the
January 25, 1993 staff report which outlined the project's consistency with the
General Plan. It is staffs opinion that the South Pointe Master Plan is completely
consistent with the draft General Plan.
Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 8:07 p.m. The meeting was reconvened
at 8:18 p.m.
Chair/ Flamenbaum, referring to page 35, appendix "All of the January 25, 1993
staff report, the Housing Goals, inquired how the City will be complying with the
Housing Element for moderate to low incomes, as required by State law, if the
proposed homes are estimated to sell for $350,000 to $400,000 dollars.
Hardy Strozier explained that the State law requires cities to provide a broad range
of housing opportunities, to include a certain percentage of number of housing
units in the very low, low, moderate, and upper income categories. The law does
not require that there be components of these four housing categories in every
project. This project, which provides housing opportunities in the moderate and
upper income categories, does meet those goals. Low, and very low income
opportunities are usually provided in cities through the attainment of apartment
projects, or affordable condominiums projects.
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Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if it is feasible to require mixed housing in the
commercial areas of this project.
Hardy Strozier explained that such land use components are usually found in
very urbanized areas because they have the land value that can afford those
types of building improvements to go multi story. Such a situation, or land
values, are not found in Diamond Bar today. If this were required on the
commercial portion of the project, in staffs opinion, the project would be doomed
to failure.
CDD/DeStefano pointed out that the 34 unit town home project, at Golden
Springs and Torito Lane, recently approved by the Planning Commission and the
City Council, could be an example of a project that might fit into the moderate to
low income category, based upon the product type and the anticipated price
range. Furthermore, the Housing Element of the General Plan, strategy 1.1.1, on
page 11-20, does indicate that commercial/ office developments, which propose
residential components, should be considered but only where feasible and
appropriate. Such a mix use concept would have to be determined on a case by
case basis, and, as Hardy Strozier pointed out, those are most likely to occur in
Diamond Bar's more urbanized areas.
Hardy Strozier, in response to Chair/ Flamenbaum, explained that the policy
regarding the consistency of the project to the preservation and conservation of
existing housing stock is inapplicable to the project.
Chair/Fla enbaum, referring to one of the goals in the ResouTce Management
Element, inquired, how it was determined that grading, as well as the removal of
all the trees, maintain the open space system which preserves scenic beauty and
protects important biological resources.
Hardy Strozier explained that, based on professional experience, it was felt that
the Master Plan design has a very strong balance of open space usesf up to and
including the preservation of a fair amount of existing natural areas, ane- that it
also had a very efficient open space linkage system. From a master planning
standpoint, it was felt that this is an exemplary design of a balancing of land
uses, not dwelling on the total preservation or total development, but a fine mix.
The Master Plan proposes an
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overabundance of open space preservation when measured against the
standards set forth in , the General Plan and the local codes. Hardy Strozier then
reviewed the following areas that have been preserved: there is a large existing
open space expanse, — Cross Section 11G11 Ithat is being essentially preserved
on the edges of the Arciero tract; there is approximately 60 feet of natural terrain
in Cross Section IICII; there is an area off the edge of Brea Canyon Road, in
Cross Section "B", that -is very natural; and there is a large expanse of natural
terrain adjacent to Brea- Canyon Road and the Arciero Ti -act.
Jan Dabney, 671 Brea Canyon Road, in response to
Chair/ Flamenbaum Is inquiry as to what percentage of land mass will remain
unscathed for preservationpurposes, stated that under 20% of the 78 acres
owned by RnP remains unscathed, and about 20% of the 40 acres owned by
Arciero was set aside in it's natural state as it adjoins adjacent property.
Jim Budke, representing Mr. Patel, stated that about 5% or less of the 6.7 acres
owned by Sasak will be left in it's natural state.
Chair/Flamenbaum, referring to the Physical Mobility Element, then inquired if the
consistency findings would remain the same if Rapid View, Larkstone, and
Morning Sun were opened.
Hardy Strozier stated that the City traffic engineer and the consulting traffic
engineer both have indicated that there would be very little relative benefit derived
from opening Rapid View because very little traffic would be utilizing that street. By
putting in street "A", from Brea Canyon Road, an unloaded collector is provided for
school buses and other such traffic, providing a more efficient, shorter, and a safer
connection to that school. Morning Sun would be the best choice for a secondary
access point, which may be required for safety purposes, because it is less
attractive due to the various curves in the road. Larkstone would be a more direct
route, however, if one of the objectives is to discourage through traffic through
residential neighborhoods, it would be safer and more consistent to close
Larkstone, and to let Street "All serve it. I t is our plan to discourage the
connection through Larkstone.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the General Plan does have a specific clause that discusses the integrity of
existing residential neighborhoods, and the 1,!
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discouragement of through traffic. Opening Rapid View, which is a direct link to
Colima, and opening Larkstone, which is a direct link to Colima as well as
Lemon, would not be, in staff's opinion, consistent with the Goals as they have
been written, and the vision as it was crafted through the various review
processees of the General Plan. Rapid View and Larkstone have the potential to
become another Morning Sun and Rolling Knoll/Quail summit situation where it
could become a cut through to avoid the intersection of Golden Springs and Brea
Canyon Road, and to avoid the congestion of the f reeway on ramp near the
Jack in the Box facility.
Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if the Sasak project, which projects no opening to
the rest of the project, is consistent with the General Plan.
CDD/DeStefano stated that the Sasak property, which is on the boundary line of
Diamond Bar and Rowland Heights, and is on the boundary of the Walnut and
Rowland Heights School District, would probably be inconsistent with the
General Plan because it does not have access, or design orientation, towards
these larger areas.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing opened.
Joyce Hill, residing at 1836 Shaded Wood Road, made the following comments:
residents on Shaded Wood road overlook the canyon, and a wall will not help
mitigate problems associated with construction; if the park is to be a noise
mitigation measure, as indicated at the April 26, 1993 meeting, does that mean
that the park will be higher in elevation than the commercial area; if the park will
be that much higher than the commercial, than why is the hill being cut off since
it is currently a noise mitigation measure for existing homes, not the proposed
home; and should the project be recommended for approval since air quality
standards will be exceeded, and health hazards will be present.
Carolyn Elfelt, residing at 2119 Silver Cloud, 7-11
emphasized how critical it is to get
the South Pointe Middle School built immediately to help our children become
healthy, happy, productive adults.
Elizabeth Hodges, residing at 1604 Morning Sun, responding to the video shown at the
April 26, 1993 meeting demonstrating the conditions at the South
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Pointe Middle School, stated 'that though the condition of the school is a concern,
the real issue involves the aspects of the project. Many of the schools in the area
consist of portables, and many have traffic problems, making it the norm not the
exception.
Vinod Kashyap stated that because the problems associated with the South
Pointe Middle School exist elsewhere, does not make it the norm. Children should
not be taught to accept substandard conditions. Delaying the project, as some
are attempting to do, hurt the children. The project should go forth expeditiously.
George Barret, residing at 1880 Shaded Wood Road, pointed out that 90% of the
schools are substandard, and most have the traffic problems associated with the
South Pointe Middle School. Adding 200 more homes will not improve that traffic
problem, but increase traffic and the a -mount of students in our already over
crowded schools. There does not need to be a development in order to get the
school constructed. The Walnut School District is aware of this and will be in
court with Arciero on June 22, 1993.
Clair Harmony, residing at 24139 Alfamado, Lane, expressed the following
concerns: though the Hillside ordinance was designed to preserve hillside, and
the Oak Tree ordinance was designed to preserve those trees, the , City keeps
issuing CUP's allowing developers an opportunity to get around those
ordinances, thereby defeating it's purpose; the tract maps, related to the
Pathfinder's Homeowners Association, indicate that those parcels are not to be
built on, and have been dedicated as open space; such a dedication was a trade
off for the density allowed for the Pathfinder development, therefore the, project is
actually developing double density over the permitted use of density, which is not
consistent with the General Plan; and the Walnut School District has the
responsibility to maintain it's facilities.
Sherry Roberts, residing at 2660 Broken Feather, inquired if it is -illegal for motorists
to enter into the Quail Summit neighborhood.,
Chair/ Flamenbaum explained that it is not illegal to enter into the Quail Summit neighborhood, but
illegal to turn right on to Grand Ave. from Rolling P
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Knoll between the hours of 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday through Friday.
Sherry Roberts then expressed the following concerns: the access to the school
is a saf ety hazard; another access to the school is needed besides the one
coming off of Brea Canyon Road; and all of South Pointe Middle School consists
of portables, and it does not have the equipment or facilities as other Middle
Schools have that we compete with.
CDD/DeStefano, in response to C/Li, stated that financing for the Middle School
is in place, and the plans prepared by the School District have been approved by
the State. The project is awaiting construction bid and a specific target date for
actual construction activity.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing closed.
Chair/Flamenbaum recess the meeting at 9:45 p.m.. The meeting was
reconvened at 9:55 P.M.. Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if the Commission is
prepared to discuss General Plan consistency. If the Commission is ready, he
stated that he would prefer discussion not be brought to a closure since
VC/Meyer was absent from the meeting, and C/Grothe missed -a good portion of
the presentation and discussion.
C/Li stated that he feels that the Commission should continue on, at this point,
and discuss General Plan -consistency.
C/Grothe stated that, since he did not arrive until 9:00 p.m., he would prefer to
review the tapes of the meeting prior to his arrival before making a decision on
General Plan consistency.
C/Plunk stated that she feels that the proposed
plan is generally consistent with the General Plan. She made the following
comments: she would prefer to see Larkstone open; Morning Sun should not be
affected solely by the traffic; one street servicing the School is not acceptable;
the secondary road needs to be at a saf a grade; the
iL-0: area has a public safety problem in it's current configuration, where wild land meets urban area in an interface, which is a
similar- condition that caused the tragedy from the Berkeley fire; it is a beautiful
open space area, however, it is privately
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owned and the responsibility of the developer; the conditions at South Pointe
Middle School are substandard, and the -traffic situation is worse than any other
school in Diamond Bar; there is a concern whether the School meets earthquake
standards; and there is a need to address, very specifically, the noise mitigation
and the AQMD issues.
Chair/Flamenbaum stated that he feels that the project is not completely
consistent with the draft General Plan, though it is generally consistent. Though
he would prefer to leave the canyon as is, weighing the pros and cons, he
concurs that it meets the requirements and that it's benefits do outweigh it's
detriments. There may be a concern that as a policy issue, the City may not be
doing what is right in terms of managing our resources, however, it must be
recognized those resources are not owned by the City. There does not seem to
be an issue regarding cougars, the horned lizard, or the gnat catcher. The Middle
School is a secondary issue as far as whether or not this project should
approved, however, it's development is linked to the project, specifically regarding
the dirt remaining on the site.
C/Grothe 'pointed out that the project can be interpreted either way, to be
consistent or inconsistent. For example, a CUP is needed for the Hillside
Ordinance in order to make this plan work. However, the trade offs to the City is a
permanent School, a substantial size park, and 10 acres of commercial land,
which will increase the City's revenues thereby enhancing the quality of life. In
order to preserve that area entirely, the options available are to either buy the
property, pass a bond issue for the City to buy it, or get a conservancy to buy it.
C/Plunk inquired if a motion of the Commission is necessary.
DA/Curley stated that a motion would indicate a final action, therefore, a
consensus of the Commission is preferred.
Motion was made by C/Li, seconded by C/Plunk and CARRIED to direct staff to draft a Resolution
that the project is generally consistent with the draft General Plan, to include the minor amendments
mentioned.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Plunk and Li.
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ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS:
COMMISSIONERS:
COMMISSIONERS:
Chair/Flamenbaum.
Grothe.
The Planning Commission then concurred not to discuss the Master Plan tonight,
but to continue that discussion to the meeting of May 10, 1993 at 7:00 p.m..
INFORMATION CDD/DeStefano reported that the next community ITEMS: workshop for the General Plan
process for revision
is scheduled for May 1, 1993 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. at Chaparral Middle -
School. He reported that a summary comment was presented to the participants
of the community workshop at the April 28, 1993 meeting. Staff will provide a
copy of those comments to anyone desiring one.
ADJOURNMENT: Motion was made by C/Li, seconded by C/Plunk and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to adjourn the
meeting at 10:21 P.m.
rest
ames DeStefano
Secretary
Attest:
Bruce Flamenbaum Chairmany