HomeMy WebLinkAbout4/26/1993CITY OF DIAMOND BAR
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
APRIL 26, 1993
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Flamenbaum called the meeting to order at
6:11 p.m. at the South Coast Air Quality Management
District Auditorium, 21865 E. Copley Drive, Diamond
Bar, California.
PLEDGE OF The audience was led in the Pledge of Allegiance by
ALLEGIANCE: Chairman Flamenbaum.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioners: Plunk, Vice Chairman Meyer, and
Chairman Flamenbaum. Commissioner Li arrived at
6:19 p.m. and Commissioner Grothe arrived at 6:57
p.m.
Also present were Community Development Director
James DeStefano, Planning Technician Ann Lungu,
Deputy City Attorney Craig Fox, Interim City
Engineer George Wentz, and Contract Recording
Secretary Liz Myers.
CONSENT CALENDAR:
Chair/Flamenbaum indicated that staff has
recommended that item 2 be pulled from the Consent
Minutes of
Calendar. Chair/Flamenbaum requested item 3 to be
Apr. 12, 1993
pulled from the Consent Calendar as well.
C/Plunk requested the Minutes of April 12, 1993 be
amended on page 5 to indicate that "The Foothill
Presbyterian Hospital had possibly 60 landings
recorded in one year, but that the information will
be checked."
Motion was made by Chair/ Flamenbaum, seconded by
VC/Meyer and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to approve the
Minutes of April 12, 1993, as amended.
Resolution of ICE/Wentz stated that the words "grading permits"
Approval for on page 6,_ condition item #14, should be changed to
CUP 93-2 state "building permits." The remainder of the
conditions are satisfactory as written.
C/Plunk suggested that condition #16 be amended to
indicate "...the said property owner is required by
the City to provide such access", and condition #19
should be amended to indicate "for Sunday services
or large special events" to replace the statement
"between the hours of 600 to 1400 hours".
Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by
Chair/ Flamenbaum and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to approve
the Resolution of Approval for CUP 93-2, as
�amended.
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Finding ICE/Wentz reported that Transamerica Realty
Conformity of Services has offered to quitclaim it's interest in
draft General a strip of land located along the south side of
Plan for Prospectors Road and Lots 3,4,5,9, and 10 of Tract
acquisition No. 26203 west of Golden Springs Drive. The
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Max Maxwell, residing at 3211 Bent Twig, suggested
that, since there is not currently a traffic
problem in that area, the City should set the
matter aside until a proposal for obtaining the
property at a lesser price is received. He then
pointed out that this subject area would make a
good back entrance to a commercial center, which at
one time, the City had considered making the Golf
Course into a commercial center.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum
declared the Public Hearing closed.
VC/Meyer noted that the right-of-way is
substandard. He recommended moving forward with
the acquisition of the public right-of-way because
it may be used in the future. He then suggested
that page 2, paragraph 4.b., be amended to properly
indicate that the property is located on the south
side of Prospectors Road west of Golden Springs.
Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by C/Plunk
and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to recommend to the City
Council the approval of the acquisition of the real
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of property property in question may potentially benefit the
City in maintaining an easement for public
improvement purposes along with the previously
established utility easements and the future
widening or intersection improvement. This item
was brought before the City for preliminary
discussion about 18 months ago, in which there was
discussion that the City might reconvey the
property to the adjacent property owners at a later
date based partly upon some possible encroachments
within that easement. It was believed that it was
worthwhile to obtain that property to eliminate any
sliver of property between the City's existing
right-of-way and another ownership. At this point,
the only cost to the City would be any back taxes
that exists from nonpayment, which is estimated to
be about $1,700 dollars.
Chair/Flamenbaum pointed out that the City might be
able to obtain the property for less money if
ownership reverts back to the County.
ICE/Wentz stated that it is felt that $1,700
dollars is not a significant expense for having the.
land available to the City for any future widening
to that particular street, or other improvements
done in the right-of-way.
The Public Hearing was declared opened.
Max Maxwell, residing at 3211 Bent Twig, suggested
that, since there is not currently a traffic
problem in that area, the City should set the
matter aside until a proposal for obtaining the
property at a lesser price is received. He then
pointed out that this subject area would make a
good back entrance to a commercial center, which at
one time, the City had considered making the Golf
Course into a commercial center.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum
declared the Public Hearing closed.
VC/Meyer noted that the right-of-way is
substandard. He recommended moving forward with
the acquisition of the public right-of-way because
it may be used in the future. He then suggested
that page 2, paragraph 4.b., be amended to properly
indicate that the property is located on the south
side of Prospectors Road west of Golden Springs.
Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by C/Plunk
and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to recommend to the City
Council the approval of the acquisition of the real
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property along the south side of Prospectors Road
west of Golden Springs Drive.
ROLL CALL:
Hardy Strozier then presented the conclusion to the
slide presentation given at a previous meeting.
The first few slides illustrated an overview of the
project area, for the benefit of those who were not
present during the first slide presentation, which
attempted to bring forth the data from the EIR, in
summary photo form. The remaining slides shown
focused upon cross section, "A" through "G",
attempting to get inside -the project and describe
what is occurring with the grading plan and land
use plan. The following is a summarization of that
slide presentation:
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Li, Plunk, VC/Meyer, and
Chair/Flamenbaum.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: Grothe.
CONTINUED
Hardy Strozier, Project Manager, reported that this
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
is a continued public hearing regarding the
following items: South Pointe Master Plan
General Plan
Environmental Impact Report No. 92081040; General
Amendment 92-2;
Plan Amendment; 3 Development Agreements; Vesting
DA 92-1, 2, and 3;
Tentative Tract 32400 Arciero); tentative Tract
Vesting TT Map
51253 (Patel); Vesting Tentative Tract 41407 (RnP);
51407, CUP 92-8 &
3 Hillside Management Ordinance Conditional Use
OT 92-8; ZC 91-2 &
Permits; 3 oak Tree Removal Permits. The proposed
OT 91-2; TT Map
project is located in the southwestern area of the
51253 & CUP 92-12;
City, encompassing an area of approximately 171
OT 92-9; SP Master
acres. The project site is"comprised of a number
Plan; & EIR 92-1
of existing parcels and ownership interests,
generally described as being situated westerly, of
the Orange Freeway and Brea Canyon Road, easterly
of the corporate boundaries of the City, and
northerly of Pathfinder Road and the existing
residential area. The four applicants are RnP
Development, Inc., Arciero and Sons, Inc., Sasak
Corporation, and the City of Diamond Bar. The
staff report includes a series of procedures
recommended by staff, as well as responses, or the
location of those responses, to Planning Commission
questions raised at previous meetings. There is
also a response to questions submitted by VC/Meyer
and by C/Plunk. Furthermore, a cougar biological
study has also been included which responds to a
concern regarding cougars in the project area.
Hardy Strozier then presented the conclusion to the
slide presentation given at a previous meeting.
The first few slides illustrated an overview of the
project area, for the benefit of those who were not
present during the first slide presentation, which
attempted to bring forth the data from the EIR, in
summary photo form. The remaining slides shown
focused upon cross section, "A" through "G",
attempting to get inside -the project and describe
what is occurring with the grading plan and land
use plan. The following is a summarization of that
slide presentation:
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Cross Section "A" - Illustrates the 57 freeway
along Brea Canyon Road area.
o There is a 155' foot setback from the edge of
Brea Canyon Road to the back of the first
building, and an elevation difference of
approximately 50 feet from Brea Canyon Road to
the slope of the first home, which illustrates
why there is very little noise impact with the
proposed project. The maximum depth of cut is
97' feet.
o The location of the existing Sandstone Canyon
stream is illustrated. The depth of fill is
82' feet.
o The South Pointe Middles School is
illustrated. There is an elevation change of
40' feet between the finished pad of South
Pointe Middle School to the Arciero finished
pad. The Master Plan provides for pedestrian
access from the Arciero Tract to the school
site. The depth of cut on the school pad'is
42' feet.
Cross Section "B" - Illustrates a little bit
northerly of cross section "A".
o There is still the 120' foot setback from Brea
Canyon Road, however, the proposed Arciero
Tract at this location is 75' feet higher than
existing Brea Canyon Road, and the 57 freeway
is around .5' feet higher than Brea Canyon
Road. The depth of cut is 65' feet, and the
depth of fill is 70' feet. It also
illustrated the location of the existing
stream at Sandstone Canyon.
o There is about a 40' foot -elevation difference
between the Arciero finish pad and the finish
pad of the school. The depth of cut is 70'
feet at the school building pad.
Cross Section "C" - Illustrates the north to south
direction, cutting through the Arciero Tract.
o There is a 75' foot tall hill between the
existing residential units, or Garazon Place,
and the proposed Arciero tract.
o The depth of cut at this location is 60' feet.
The design allows a portion of the hill to
remain as a set back buffer between the
existing residential, Garazon Place, and the
proposed tract.
o The transition between the proposed
residential and the office/ commercial is
illustrated. The depth of fill at the point
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of the commercial area is 40' feet. There is
a 120' foot setback proposed between the
commercial structures and the residential
structures.
o The continuation of the residential pad moving
into the proposed South Pointe park area is
illustrated, showing the location of street
"A". Street "A", at this location, is at
grade with the commercial area. The slope
falls off from street "A" down towards one of
the Homeowners Association's ownership
parcels.
o There is a 55' foot set back between street
"A" and the property line of the Homeowners
Association open space parcel.
Cross Section"D" - Illustrates beginning from the
57 freeway moving westerly, cutting through the
commercial area, then through the RnP, and then the
Patel property.
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Brea Canyon Road, at this location, is at
grade with the proposed commercial property.
It is also about 5' or 6' feet higher than. the
57 freeway, still having ample visibility from
the freeway on to the commercial property.
The depth of cut at this location is 111'
feet, which is approximately in the middle of
the commercial area.
The depth of fill at the existing stream is
66' feet. Half of the commercial area is in
the canyon, and half is in the cut area where
the hill exists. Preserving some of the slide
slopes and some of the canyon area would
eliminate approximately 1/2 of the proposed 30
acre commercial area.
The park site, moving across the commercial
area, is illustrated, locating street "A" on
the southerly portion of the park, as
suggested by staff. The park site and the
commercial site are pretty much at grade
level, making them assessable to one another.
Depth of cut in this area is 60' feet. There
is a 320' foot open space separation between
the edge of street "A" and the first home on
the RnP tract. It illustrates how half off
the park is flat and usable, and how half the
park is usable but in a passive open space
environment. The first home of the RnP tract
is separated, from a noise standpoint, from
the active park site.
Moving westerly from the RnP tract into the
Patel tract, illustrating the location of
Morning Sun, there is a 20' foot cut on the
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Patel portion. The
line stream, and
associated with it.
Patel tract has a blue
around 50 Oak Trees
Cross section "E" - Illustrates north to south
through the Homeowners Association ownership, which
is located on the west side of the property cutting
through the Peaceful Hills property.
o There is approximately an 80' foot setback
between the existing homes and the proposed
homes, which generally relates to the setback
characteristics of the RnP and the Patel
tracts at that location. The typical existing
grade in depth of fill in this area is about
46' feet.
o The existing residential Peaceful Hills tract
is located at an elevation of 980' feet.
There is an approximate 165' foot grade
differential between the home that overlooks
the HOA open space area and the first home of
the RnP tract. There is an 111' foot setback
difference between the property line of the
Peaceful Hills nearest home and the property
line of the nearest home proposed at the RnP
tract at this location.
Cross Section "F" - Illustrates from the Peaceful
Hills subdivision crossing north, northwest to a
point near Morning sun Drive in the Patel tract.
o The existing residential Peaceful Hills is at
an elevation of 930' feet.
o The proposed grade at RnP is 810' feet, and
there is an 180 foot grade differential.
o There is no view line obstruction between the
existing residential and the proposed
residential. There is a 90' foot property
line setback between the RnP property and the
Homeowners Association property. There is a
165' foot setback between the first home at
Peaceful Hills and the first home at RnP.
Cross Section "G" - Illustrates from Peaceful Hills
north, northeast through the Arciero tract
and through the commercial site.
o There is a 320' foot setback between the first
existing residential home on Glenthorpe Drive,
and a 100' foot elevation difference between
the first home at Glenthorpe Drive and the
first home at the Arciero tract, whereas the
Arciero tract would be at a higher elevation.
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�_ The depth of cut at this location is 103'
feet.
o The beginning of the commercial property is
from Glenthrope Drive to the edge of the
residential property. The depth of fill of
the commercial site is 73' feet.
o The parks site in relationship of the
commercial site is illustrated, with street
"A" located on the southside. It is a flat
pad. The depth of fill at the park site is
69' feet. There is a 100' foot elevation
higher to the existing homes at Peaceful Hills
to the park site. The setback is over 100'
feet.
Hardy Strozier concluded the slide presentation,
which also concluded staff's presentation of the
various elements of the Master Plan, and the
technical elements of the proposed grading
concepts. It is staff's recommendation that the
Planning Commission invite the three developers to
present their respective projects within the
proposed South Pointe Master Plan area. Sasak and
RnP have prepared alternative,tentative tract maps
for the Commission's review, which were included in
the March 22, 1993 staff report.
Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 7:05 pm.
The meeting was reconvened at 7:20 p.m.
Chair/Flamenbaum, referring to the South Pointe
Master Plan booklet attachment "B" of the Jan. 25,
1993 meeting, requested more information regarding
the transfer of land.
Hardy Strozier stated that the City owns about 8
acres of residual slope easement property located
along Brea Canyon Road, 2.5 acres of existing
Larkstone Park, and 5 acres of the former Water
District property, totaling about 15 acres to be
dedicated to the developers. The developer is
proposing to dedicate a 28 acre park site, and
another 10 to 15 acres of commercial property,
totaling 38 to 43 acres that will be dedicated to
the City. The City will end up with a net 15 to 20
acres more useable property with this Master Plan
in it's various transactions. The City also gets
land back from the School District, in which the
City will transfer that land to RnP, who in turn
will transfer commercial acreage and park acreage
to the City.
Jan Dabney, 671 Brea Canyon Road, consultant for
RnP and Arciero on the Master Plan, explained that
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he was hired by RnP, January -of 1991, to meet with
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the City on the development of their 78 acres.
They met with the City, and individually with the
Council members, to propose an empty pallet for the
Council to outline the desires of the community on
RnP's' ownership. The following concerns were
addressed by the Council: environmental issues
surrounding the canyon; the School District's
capabilities to proceed with the construction of a
Middle School; the proposed Arciero tract; and
concerns on what would occur with this 171 acres
undeveloped, and it's impacts on the surrounding
community. After viewing the project for 6 or 7
months, it was recommended by the then City Manager
that a Master Plan or a Specific Plan be developed,
allowing for the best utilization of the entire
property. The Master Plan was predicated by a
market analysis which addressed many of the
concerns raised by the public such as the devaluing
of the adjacent properties, the general development
of the residential aspect and enclaves, the sizing
of the lots, and vacancies. The first
consideration of the overall aspects of the Master
Plan was the cost of the land, and the economics of
the marketing of the properties. The planning
aspects of the location of the commercial, the
park, street "A", the aesthetics of the project,
and all the accesses have been serious studied. If
a street is to be realigned, one must consider the
dramatic impact it would have on the entire
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project. Another major consideration of the Master
Plan was a density analysis. It has always been
the intent to have this Master Plan be the least
dense development, as far as actual lots per acre, i
in the entire area, and to create a recreational
area that the children could enjoy. He then
reviewed the following densities of the existing
developments: Tract 27141 has a gross area of 75
acres, with 228 single family detached residential
units, and a gross density of 3.04 DU/acre; Area 1,
homes surrounding Morning Sun, has a gross area of
7.7 acres, with 24 single family detached units, a
gross density of 3.12 DU/acre, and an average lot
size was 10,800 square feet, the biggest lot being
15,390 square feet, and the minimum lot being 8,260
square feet; and Area 2 has a gross area of 32.5
acres, with 117 units, a gross density of 3.6
DU/acre, with an average lot size of 9,450 square
feet; Area 3, surrounding South Pointe Middle
School, consists of 109 acres, with 290 units, for
a gross density of 2.65 unit, and an average lot
size of 12,760 square feet, with a minimum lot of
7,100 square feet (There was not any dedication of
park or open space in the development of these
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specific project); Area 4, the Pathfinder
Homeowners Association, has a gross area of 89.93
acres, with 173 single family detached residential
units, which includes 36.9 acres of dedicated open
space, and an improved 1.65 acres developed park
within the community, with a gross density of 1.92
DU/acre, and an average lot size net development of
10,400 square feet, with a minimum lot size of
about 6,600 square feet. The Pathfinder Homeowners
Association was a density transfer from the two
open spaces set aside to allow the cluster
development under County zoning.
VC/Meyer inquired of the difference between gross
density and net net density.
Jan Dabney explained that the net net number is
derived from the actual lot, excluding the street,
parks, dedicated open space, and calculates the
intensity of the development and not density.
There are three density configurations: gross
density which includes the street; net density
which includes all the park and open space, but
excludes the street; and the net net density that
excludes everything but the true lot.
CDD/DeStefano confirmed that the density provisions
in the City's Zoning Ordinance are based upon gross
density.
Jan Dabney then reviewed the following densities of
the proposed developments: Area 5, the RnP
development, has a gross area of 61.6 acres, with
90 single family detached residential units, which
includes the dedication of 2.5 acres of open space
and 28.05 acres of park, and has a gross density of
1.46 units per acre, with an average lot size of
almost 12,000 square feet, a maximum lot size of
18,700 square feet, and a minimum lot size of 9,000
square feet; Area 6, the Arciero development, has a
gross area of about 41 acres, with 91 single family
detached residential units, which includes 14.1
acres of dedicated open space, and a gross density
of 2.23 units per acre, with an average lot size of
9,200 square feet, a maximum lot size of 17,200,
and a minimum lot size of 7,200 square feet; the
combined area of Arciero and RnP is 102 acres with
181 single family units, with a gross density of
1.77 units per acre over the Master Plan; the Patel
property, depending on the final proposal, goes
from 1.77 to 1.85 average density across the Master
Plan.
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Jan Dabney stated then that all concerns have been
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considered and evaluated. An analysis, completed
about two years ago to determine the feasibility of
leaving a portion of the canyon open, concluded
that ,doing so would not really be a benefit to the
City because it would still require the removal of
the top of the hill, the removal of the vegetation,
and the buttressing of the existing slides. This
Master Plan, as presented, was developed to blend
the various aspects desired by the City. The park
configuration was laid out to break up the
commercial from the School District, and the
commercial from the residential development, and to
provide an excellent buffer between the existing
development on top of Peaceful Hills and the
commercial. The location of street "A" serves to
provide for some protection in case there is a
condition of slippage. Those opposing the project
seem to be 1 part politician, 1 part
environmentalist, and 5 parts "not in my back
yard". Those on Morning Sun have indicated that
they are opposed to the development because they
have a substandard street. However, in reality,
Morning sun is not a substandard street, and though
there is no sidewalk built in the right-of-way,
they do enjoy the use of 12 feet of the County's
property instead. If this project was not to be
approved because of the sidewalk, which is about an
$18,000 cost, the owners of the property would
probably be willing to resolve this single issue.
VC/Meyer inquired if the developers met with the
Pathfinder Homeowners Association to explore the
possibilities of improving their existing open
space property for additional passive recreational,
and exploring possibilities of allowing public
access to the area.
Jan Dabney stated that, in his opinion, the concern
that the Pathfinder Homeowners Association had,
regarding the enhancement of their property and the
passive area around there, was that they preferred
not to give up anything in their fight to stop the
project. If in fact the project does develop, they
would probably then give some consideration to
those mitigations.
VC/Meyer inquired if it would be possible to
provide public access to the Homeowners
Association's open space for passive recreational
use. He also inquired if part of the ancient
landslide is within the Pathfinders Homeowners
Association's open space area.
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-.N Jan Dabney stated that the open space area does
lend itself nicely to passive recreational aspects.
The ancient landslide appears to stem from Mr.
Schad's house down to the park.
VC/Meyer requested a preliminary engineering
feasibility study of moving road "A" northerly
against the Arciero project.
Jan Dabney stated that locating the road on the
northerly side,* adjacent to the Arciero tract,
saves some of the Oak trees, but it does not yield
as much of the canyon as anticipated because a 2:1
slope would not be allowed within the City due to
the hillside considerations to that specific
grading avenue. If there was no improvement to the
canyon whatsoever, the true location for Street "A"
would be on the southern end of the property
because it has the least intrusive impact on the
canyon coming from that direction. He then pointed
out that the private property owners involved in
this Master Plan have a development potential of
452 dwelling units, but only approximately 200
units are being proposed. Furthermore, almost 500
of the entire RnP and Arciero ownership, within the
-� residential development, is being transferred to
either passive or recreational park facility or
open space.
Jan Dabney, in response to VC/Meyer's inquiry
regarding the closures of Rapid View and Larkstone,
stated that, strictly from an engineering point of
view with no consideration to City policy, every
street should be connected to lessen the impact on
every specific neighborhood. It is not desired
having just emergency access to Morning Sun because
of the associated fire hazards, even though the
minimum fire department standards are met by having
emergency access only to Morning Sun.
Upon the request of C/Grothe, Jan Dabney showed the
slide illustrating the location of the development
as compared to the location of the existing canyon.
About 1.4 million yards of dirt will have to be cut
to create that commercial strip center, regardless
if any of the dirt is put in the canyon. The tree
count does go down on the easterly side of the
F =, specific canyon, but the tree size appears to be
more significant,.
C/Grothe suggested that, as an alternative to what
has been proposed, a portion of the dirt be put on
the east side of the canyon to gain back a fair
amount of the commercial pad, and then placing the
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rest of the dirt on the center of the development
creating a hill in the middle, with Brea Canyon and
the school on either side. This mimics the general
topography of the City, which are hillsides, and
mitigates the problems associated with lights, and
sounds from the freeway. Though this configuration
would eliminate a lot of the .park, it also reduces
grading and cutting down into the canyon. The road
would be designed at the base, wrapping around with
some access roads into the housing development, and
no homes would front that road.
Jan Dabney pointed out that most of the
Councilmembers urged them to consider a strong,
large, active recreational community. Having a
smaller commercial development, and leaving a
portion of the canyon, was considered, however, if
the commercial development becomes too narrow along
Brea Canyon Road then terrible marketing
constraints develop. One of the considerations of
this project is the huge traffic generator
immediately before us. The traffic count on the 57
freeway is dramatic to this project.
C/Grothe stated that the developers have a
responsibility to build a project that resembles
the rest of Diamond Bar. Most of the -development
in Diamond Bar does not have such gigantic flat
pads and development, but rather terraces up and
down hills.
Jan Dabney pointed out that the mountain, for the
development in the Pathfinder Homeowners
Association, was completely cut off flat, and the
entire cut was put in the original Sandstone Canyon
headwaters. We are very sensitive to this specific
neighborhood, more so, historically, than people
have been in the past.
C/Grothe stated that he has been requesting
potentials and possibilities for the last 6 months
demonstrating why the shopping center would or
would not work. It is important to remember that
what is hot in retail building and construction
today may change in two to three years. It is
short sighted to do planning based upon sales tax
revenues. There is a need to review the options to
determine if the project presented is the best
project to be proposed.
Jan Dabney pointed out that the one thing not
changing is the City's declining revenue versus
service costs. He explained that many of the
things being suggested through mitigation have
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already added over $5,000 per lot for the planning
function, and $7,500 per lot for tree mitigation
for Mr. Arciero's project. If the wheel is
reinvented at this point, from a conceptual point
of view, it would add a substantial amount of money
to the cost of the development. After 2,000 man
hours on this project, the plan presented today is
very sensitive to the community needs.
C/Plunk requested Mr. Dabney to compare this
project to the approximate 200 unit project turned
down by LA County a few years back. She then
suggested that there be consideration made to
assure that the commercial center is not a size
that would only hold dry cleaners and pizza
parlors.
Chair/'Flamenbaum inquired if there has been a
survey conducted on the San Diego horned lizard, as
referred to in the EIR.
Hardy Strozier stated that the survey has been
conducted which indicated that the horned lizard is
r l not on the site. The written results of the survey
will be given to the Commission when it is
received. Furthermore, the Pacific Southwest
Biological Services, Inc. have contended that there
are no cougars present in the canyon.
Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 9:08 p.m.
The meeting was reconvened at 9:20 p.m.
Frank Arciero Jr., of Arciero & Sons, 950 N.
Tustin, Anaheim, made the following comments: they
have researched and studied various different
designs to the project to try and mitigate the
potential problems; the site is unique in that one
is confined in certain areas; staff has been
available to answer any of the Commission's
questions up to this point; the project presented,
and denied, before the LA County Planning
Commission was for a 120 unit seniors development;
when the School District expressed an interest in
buying part of the property, they returned to the
County's Commission with an R-1 development, but
because the City, at that time, was ready to
incorporate, the project was put aside, and he
decided to wait until after incorporation to
present a project; the City called him a year later
to discuss master planning the entire area; 3 1/2
years later, we are still trying to discuss the
master plan; and an EIR was circulated and approved
allowing him to move the dirt, and he has the
funding and the mechanism.to move the dirt today;
April 26, 1993 Page 14
Frank Arciero Jr. stated that the redesign may be
feasible but research would be needed to determine
to what extent, taking into consideration the
School constraints. In response to
Chair/Flamenbaum, he stated that there is no
present impediment for them to move that dirt at
this point, with the exception of obtaining a Fish
and Game Permit, which is not a problem. The dirt
has not been moved at this time because he would
prefer to work with the City. He then corrected
that the amount of dirt generated by this plan is
no more than 4.5 million cubic yards of dirt, as
opposed to the 9 million that was mentioned. In
response to C/Grothe, Frank Arciero Jr. stated that
though he does not yet have the grading permit to
move the dirt, he could work something out with the
school district to do the grading, if needed.
James Budke, President of Budke Design, 5 Wrigley,
Irvine, representing Mr. Patel, made the following
comments regarding the proposed project: there are
6.7 acres with an average slope of 12% to 15%; w
there is a 136' feet of elevation change from the {
lowest point to the highest point; there is a
portion of blue line stream, of about 300 feet, on
site; there are 53 coast live oaks to be removed;
there are 23 lots proposed; there will be 145,800
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to be in good standing with the -city. In response
to VC/Meyer'.s inquiry regarding the history of the
Rapid View access to his site, Mr. Arciero Jr.
explained that originally there was access to
Larkstone Drive and Rapid View, but there was a lot
of opposition and concern that the development
would create a lot of traffic going through Rapid
View. During the course of mediation, the School
came forward and suggested the configuration
proposed today, with the primary access being on
Brea Canyon Road to include an emergency access.
The design for South Pointe Middle School has been
completed and approved by the State architect.
Though access to the school from the project has
been cut off, a pedestrian access will be created
through a walkway so that the children can take
access to the school via a path.
Hardy Strozier confirmed that the Arciero,,
development will generate 30 trips a day, which is
not a significant number of new trips for a local
collector.
VC/Meyer inquired if Arciero's project could be
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redesigned to provide access to Rapid View.
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Frank Arciero Jr. stated that the redesign may be
feasible but research would be needed to determine
to what extent, taking into consideration the
School constraints. In response to
Chair/Flamenbaum, he stated that there is no
present impediment for them to move that dirt at
this point, with the exception of obtaining a Fish
and Game Permit, which is not a problem. The dirt
has not been moved at this time because he would
prefer to work with the City. He then corrected
that the amount of dirt generated by this plan is
no more than 4.5 million cubic yards of dirt, as
opposed to the 9 million that was mentioned. In
response to C/Grothe, Frank Arciero Jr. stated that
though he does not yet have the grading permit to
move the dirt, he could work something out with the
school district to do the grading, if needed.
James Budke, President of Budke Design, 5 Wrigley,
Irvine, representing Mr. Patel, made the following
comments regarding the proposed project: there are
6.7 acres with an average slope of 12% to 15%; w
there is a 136' feet of elevation change from the {
lowest point to the highest point; there is a
portion of blue line stream, of about 300 feet, on
site; there are 53 coast live oaks to be removed;
there are 23 lots proposed; there will be 145,800
April 26, 1993 Page 15
cubic yards of cut; the on site fill is 8,790 cubic
yards with an -export of about 58,000 cubic yards;
the deepest cut occurs on lot #16 of 41 feet; the
highest fill on the site is on lot 014 for
approximately 50 feet; the minimum lot size is
8,000 square feet; the minimum pad size proposed is
6,000 square feet; the largest lot is 16,700 square
feet; the average lot is 10,200 square feet; and
the density is 3.43, which is comparable to the
surrounding neighborhood. He then presented
several alternatives to the site, as indicated in
the staff report, that have been laid out
responding to comments made by the Commission,
staff, and members of the audience. He then
presented a slide presentation illustrating a brief
overview of the alternatives for Mr. Patel's site,
as presented in the staff report. Concept #4 is
the preferred proposed alternative.
Chair/Flamenbaum, noting that Concept 14 completely
disenfranchises those residents that live in that
area from the City, in terms of any physical
,n connection, stated that, in his opinion, it is an
error not to directly link those people with the
City.
James Budke explained that the decision not to
provide for a direct link came from his client, who
is responding to a lot of comments addressed to him
by many of the residents on Morning Sun.
In response to Chair/Flamenbaum, he stated that the
gross density is 3.43, and the draft General Plan
calls for a zoning of RPD 10,000-6U.
Chair/Flamenbaum pointed out that the draft General
Plan currently indicates that 3DU/acre is allowed
in that zone.
C/Grothe thanked the applicant for his efforts in
drawing a number of alternatives, illustrating what
a number of the suggestions made would look like.
C/Li inquired if Mr. Patel has definitely decided
to be part of the Master Plan process. He also
inquired what is meant by a blue line stream.
James Budke indicated that Mr. Patel is definitely
-.r- part of this Master Plan. In regards to the blue
j line stream, he explained that the term blue line
comes from it's actual, physical depiction on a
USGS topography map. At one point in time, this
stream was a much longer, and larger stream. The
water found in the stream now generally is runoff
from the south slope landscaping and lawn
April 26, 1993 Page 16
irrigation. once it is designated as a blue line
stream, then it is always a blue line stream
regardless of the size.
Hardy Stroaier explained that the federal agencies
use the USGS quad as a first indicator of a
navigatable water way of the United States, and
Section 404 of the Federal Clean Water Act,
requires a dredge and fill permit within the
navigatable water way. Following this, a stream
bed alteration permit is also required from the
California Park Fish and Game.
C/Li stated that, if this project is to be approved
by the City Council, he would prefer that cop and
gutter not be used in any of the storm drain
services.
In response to VC/Meyer, James Budke confirmed that
all existing oak trees, which are mostly clustered,
will be removed and replaced according to the
City's 2:1 ratio policy. He also indicated that,
at this time, no consideration has been made to
designing an architectural feature with the trees
on a valley rather than on a slope. It is Mr.
Patel's intent to pay in lieu fees rather than
providing any recreational space.
VC/Meyer, referring to Concept #4, inquired if
consideration has been given to the problem that
all municipal service delivery is to be made out of
the City.
Hardy Strozier stated that staff has considered
this and has recommendedthat the access be through
to Morning Sun, and that there be a maximum of 21
dwelling units.
VC/Meyer expressed his concern that the residents
on the cul-de-sac will experience a major change in
it's existing lifestyle when the street at the
indicated location is introduced. He suggested
that a full range of design options be considered,
including clustering, to try to save some of the
open space, and that there be consideration to a
common recreational area.
James Budke pointed out that Concept #4 does not
have a through street to that cul-de-sac. We have 11
tried to be as sensitive as possible to the
residents on Morning Sun in that regard. There is
flexibility on the site, and there was an attempt
to consider a variety of options, and constraints.
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Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 10:40 p.m.
The meeting was reconvened at 10:50 p.m.
Chair/Flamenbaum suggested that the commission
focus on the concept of the draft General Plan. He
reminded the audience that the Commission does plan
to meet again Thursday, April 29, 1993 to allow
additional time for public comments.
VC/Meyer suggested that, since the commission, in
essence, has made closure on the environmental
document, the public may prefer to focus on the
land use issues of the canyon rather than the
environmental issues.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing
opened.
sherry Roberts, residing at 2660 Broken Feather,
responding to some of the comments made by
C/Grothe, pointed out that "trashing" the canyon is
a matter of opinion, and in her opinion, building a
beautiful school, adding beautiful homes equivalent
to the existing homes, and adding a park, is not
"trashing" the canyon. She then presented a video,
produced by students -from South Pointe Middle
School, depicting the conditions existing at the
school today, which include overcrowded portable
classrooms, dangerous traffic conditions in the
morning and the afternoon, overcrowded lunch time
conditions, and problems occurring when it rains.
She stressed the urgency of building a school
immediately. The developers have a right to
develop on property owned by them.
Vinod Kashyap, residing at 21452 Chirping Sparrow
Road, made the following comments: the schools in
Kenya, Africa are in better condition than South
Pointe Middle School; the developers should not be
required to redo the entire process for the benefit
of one Commissioner; he too pays taxes therefore
his voice should carry as much weight as the
Pathfinder Homeowner's Association; he moved to
Diamond Bar because he wanted his children to get a
good education in a good environment; and the
children should take precedent over the interests
of a few selfish people.
An York Lee, residing at 20724 Gernside Drive,
submitted a letter for the record indicating his
support for the construction of the school. The
school project should be separated from the rest of
the proposed project so that it's construction is
no longer delayed.
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Max Maxwell concurred that _a school is needed, and
suggested that the school project be separated from
the rest of the proposals. Concerned that there is
no General Plan, he requested a letter confirming
why the EIR has been separated from the rest of the
project, if the Planning Commission did actually
recommend it's approval to the City Council, and if
it is possible for the Planning Commission to
approve the entire project without it ever going
before the City Council.
George Barrett, a resident, concurring that a
school should be built, stated that, in his
opinion, the school is being held hostage to get
the rest of the project approved. He pointed out
that other citizens oppose the project, not just
the Pathfinder Homeowners Association, and that
other schools in Diamond Bar suffer from similar
conditions as those present at the South Pointe
Middle School. This project will only bring on
additional traffic, compounding horrendous traffic
conditions already present.
Dr. Gorman made the following comments: it may be
illegal to finalize an EIR without an approved
General Plan; he is planning on conferring with the
LA County Planning Commission to determine if Oak
trees 8" in diameter with a girth of about 2511, and
if heritage trees of 20" in diameter, can be
removed; the biology and the geology portion of the
draft EIR is faulty; he saw 8 or 9 cougar tracks, a
few weeks ago, in Sandstone Canyon; the canyon is a
transit corridor for cougars between Tonner Canyon
and to the west; and, in his opinion, the project
is being forced through.
Barbara Beach Cushane, residing at 2021 Peaceful
Hills Road, made the following comments: the EIR
concludes that the noise impacts could not be
mitigated beyond a significant level, which is
contrary to Mr. 5trozier's comment that the project
will not create a noise problem; the proposed homes
will interfere with the existing view; this project
dramatically and negatively affects the quality of
life of the homeowners; there are other scientists,
just as accountable as the developer's scientists,
that disagree vehemently with the conclusions
brought forth; it is quite true that she does not
want the project in her backyard.; originally, this
land was zoned open space, or a possible park, as
is indicated in the tract map; it was the City,
after incorporation, that rezoned that land and
allowed this project to be considered tonight; the
Pathfinder's Homeowners were told that the land
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April 26, 1993 Page 19
would not be developed; she thanked C/Grothe for
his comments made, and indicated that they too are
waiting for answers to questions asked last
November of 1992; and she pointed out that school
quality has nothing to do with brick and mortar.
CDD/DeStefano, upon the request of C/Plunk,
explained that there has been no zone changes in
that area since the City incorporated, and that the
zoning for that area is exactly as it was upon
incorporation in April of 1989. The only thing
changed was the adoption of the Land Use
classification, with the approval of the General
Plan in July of 1992, which of course has since
been rescinded.
Bill Tinsmen, a resident, expressed his concern
that decisions are being made without a General
Plan. He inquired if upon the approval of this
development, and if the commercial center at
Pathfinder and Brea Canyon is no longer vacant, and
the business condition at the Albertson center
_ suddenly improves, would the traffic conditions be
such that the existing residents in Area "A" would
be able to egress from their tract without needing
another signal. He concurred that the condition of
the school is horrendous but that the issue should
be brought before the School District. The school
issue should be separated for this development. .
Don Schad, residing at 1824 Shaded Wood Road,
thanked the planners and the developers for the
presentation made this evening.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum
declared the Public Hearing closed.
Hardy Strozier, in response to a comment made by
Mrs. Cushane, explained that the EIR indicates that
the noise, from any point of the project, can be
mitigated to levels that are adequate according to
the City's noise guidelines.
C/Plunk requested staff to respond, at the next
meeting, if the South Pointe Middle School dirt can
moved as indicated by Mr. Arciero Jr..
Following discussion, the Planning Commission
concurred to continue the public hearing to April
29, 1993 at 7:00 p.m., understanding that VC/Meyer
and C/Grothe cannot be present due to a conflict of
schedules.
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INFORMATION CDD/DeStefano reported that the General Plan
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April 26, 1993 Page 20
ITEMS: process for revision has begun with two community
workshops held, each having 25 people in attendance
representing various interests within the
community. He also reported that the issue of
reorganization will be on the May 10, 1993 meeting
agenda.
ADJOURNMENT: Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by C/Grothe
and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to adjourn the meeting at
11:45 p.m. to April 29, 1993 at 7:00 p.m.
Re ective
James DeStefano
Secretary
Attest:
Bruce Flamenbaum
Chairman
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CITY OF DIAMOND BAR MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
APRIL 26, 1993
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Flamenbaum called the meeting to order at 6:11 p.m. at the South Coast Air Quality
Management District Auditorium, 21865 E. Copley Drive, Diamond Bar, California.
PLEDGE OF The audience was led in the Pledge of Allegiance by ALLEGIANCE: Chairman Flamenbaum.
ROLL CALL: Commissioners: Plunk, Vice Chairman Meyer, and Chairman Flamenbaum. Commissioner Li
arrived at 6:19 p.m. and Commissioner Grothe arrived at 6:57 p.m.
Also present were Community Development Director James DeStefano, Planning Technician Ann Lungu, Deputy
City Attorney Craig Fox, Interim - city Engineer George Wentz, and Contract
Recording Secretary Liz Myers.
CONSENT CALENDAR: Chair/Flamenbaum indicated that staff has recommended that item 2 be pulled from the
Consent
Minutes of Calendar. Chair/Flamenbaum requested item 3 to be Apr. 12, 1993 pulled from the Consent Calendar
as well.
C/Plunk requested the Minutes of April 12, 1993 be amended on page 5 to
indicate that "The Foothill Presbyterian Hospital had possibly 60 landings
recorded in one year, but that the information will be checked."
Motion was made by Chair/ Flamenbaum, seconded by VC/Meyer and CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY to approve the Minutes of April 12, 1993, as amended.
Resolution of ICE/Wentz stated that the words "grading permits" Approval for on page 6,- condition item #14,
should be changed to CUP 93-2 state "building permits." The remainder of the conditions are satisfactory as
written.
C/Plunk suggested that condition #16 be amended to indicate 11 ... the said
property owner is required by the City to provide such acces 's", and condition
#19 should be amended to indicate "for Sunday services or large special events"
to replace the statement "between the hours of 600 to 1400 hours".
Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by Chair/ Flamenbaum and CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY to approve the Resolution of Approval for CUP 93-2, as
amended.
Finding ICE/Wentz reported that Transamerica Realty Conformity of Services has offered to quitclaim it's interest
in draft General a strip of land located along the south side of Plan for Prospectors Road and Lots 3,4,5,9, and 10
of Tract acquisition No. 26203 west of Golden Springs Drive. The
April 26, 1993 Page 2
of property property in question may potentially benefit the City in maintaining an easement for public
improvement purposes along with the previously established utility easements
and the future widening or intersection improvement. This item was brought
before the City for preliminary discussion about 18 months ago, in which there
was discussion that the City might reconvey the property to the adjacent property
owners at a later date based partly upon some possible encroachments within
that easement. It was believed that it was worthwhile to obtain that property to
eliminate any sliver of property between the City's existing right-of-way and
another ownership. At this point, the only cost to the City would be any back
taxes that exists from nonpayment, which is estimated to be about $1,700 dollars.
Chair/ F lamenbaum pointed out that the City might be able to obtain the property
for less money if ownership reverts back to the County.
ICE/Wentz stated that it is felt that $1,700 dollars is not a significant expense for
having the land available to the City for any future widening to that particular
street, or other improvements done in the right-of-way.
The Public Hearing was declared opened.
Max Maxwell, residing at 3211 Bent Twig, suggested that, since there is not
currently a traffic problem in that area, the City should set the matter aside until a
proposal for obtaining the property at a lesser price is received. He then pointed
out that this subject area would make a good back entrance to a commercial
center, which at one time, the City had considered making the Golf Course into a
commercial center.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing
closed.
VC/Meyer noted that the right-of-way is substandard. He recommended moving forward with the
acquisition of the public right-of-way because it may be used in the f uture. He then suggested that
page 2, paragraph 4.b., be amended to properly indicate that the property is located on the south
side of Prospectors Road west of Golden Springs.
Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by C/Plunk and CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY to recommend to the City Council the approval of the acquisition
of the real
April 26, 1993 PA46 3
property along the south side of Prospectors Road west of Golden Springs
y Strozier, Project manager, reported that this
PUBLIC HEARINGS: is a continued public hearing regarding the
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Li, Plunk, VC/Meyer, and Chair/Flamenbaum.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: None. ABSENT:
lowing items: South Pointe Master Plan
CONTINUED
eneral Plan
nvironmental Impact Report No. 92081040; General
mendment 92-2;
Ian Amendment; 3 Development Agreements; Vesting
A 92-1, 2, and 3;
entative Tract 32400 Arciero ; tentative Tract
lesting TT Map
1253 (Patel); Vesting Tentative Tract 41407 RnP ;
1407, CUP 92-8 &
Hillside Management ordinance Conditional Use
T 92-8; ZC 91-2 &
ermits; 3 oak Tree Removal Permits. The proposed
T 91-2; TT Mapro'ect
is located in the southwestern area of the
1253 & CUP 92.-12;
ity, encompassing an area of approximately 171
1 OT 92-9; SP Master
icres. The project site is'com rised of a number
Ian; & EIR 92-1
f existing parcels and ownership interests',
jenerally described as being situated westerly of
he Orange Freeway and Brea Canyon Road, easter)
f the corporate boundaries of the City, and
iortherly of Pathfinder Road and the existing
esidential area. The four applicants are RnP
Development, Inc., Arciero and Sons, Inc., Sasak
or oration and the City of Diamond Bar. The
taff report includes a'series of procedures
ecommended by staff, as well as responses, or the
ocation of those responses, to Planning Commission
questions raised at previous meetings. There is
Iso a response to questions submitted by VC/Meyer
nd by C/Plunk. Furthermore, a cougar biological
ptudy has also been included which responds to a
oncern regarding cougars in the project area.
Hardy Strozier then presented the conclusion to the slide presentation given at a
previous meeting. The first few slides illustrated an overview of the project area,
for the benefit of those who were not present during the first slide presentation,
which attempted to bring forth the data from the EIR, in summary photo form.
The remaining slides shown
Tr, focused upon cross section, "All through 11G11, attempting to get inside -the project and describe what is occurring with
the grading plan and land use plan. The following is a summarization of that slide
presentation:
April 26, 1993 Page 4
Cross Section "All - Illustrates the 57 freeway along Brea Canyon Road area.
0 There is a 1551 foot setback from the edge of Brea Canyon Road to the back
of the f irst building, and an elevation difference of approximately 50 feet
from Brea canyon Road to the slope of the f irst home, -which illustrates
why there is very little noise impact with the proposed project. The
maximum depth of cut is 971 feet.
0 The location of the existing Sandstone Canyon stream is illustrated. The depth
of fill is 821 feet.
0 The South Pointe Middles School is illustrated. There is an elevation change of
401 feet between the finished pad of South Pointe Middle School to' the
Arciero finished pad. The Master Plan provides for pedestrian access
from the Arciero Tract to the school site. The depth of cut on the school
pad -is 421 feet.
Cross Section "B" - Illustrates a little bit northerly of cross section "A".
0 There is still the 1201 foot setback from Brea Canyon Road, however, the
proposed Arciero Tract at this location is 751 feet higher than existing
Brea Canyon Road, and the 57 freeway is around - 51 feet higher than
Brea Canyon Road. The depth of cut is 65" feet, and the depth of fill is
701 feet. It also illustrated the location of the existing stream at
Sandstone Canyon.
0 There is about a 401 foot -elevation difference between the Arciero finish pad
and the finish pad of the school. The depth of cut is 701 feet at the school
building pad.
Cross Section "C" - Illustrates the north to south direction, cutting through the Arciero
Tract.
There is a 751 foot tall hill between the existing residential units, or
Garazon Place, and the proposed Arciero tract.
The depth of cut at this location is 601 feet. The design allows a portion
of the hill to remain as a set back buffer between the existing residential,
Garazon Place, and the proposed tract.
The transition between the proposed residential and the
office/commercial is illustrated. The depth of fill at the point
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Brea Canyon Road, at this location, is at
rade with the pro osed commercial property.
It is also about 51 or 61 feet higher than,the
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7 freeway, still having ample visibility from
he freewaV on to the commercial propertV.
of the commercial area is 401 feet. There is a 1201 foot setback
proposed between the commercial structures and the residential
structures.
0 The continuation of the residential pad moving into the proposed South
Pointe park area, is illustratEid, showing the location of street "A".
Street "A", at this location, is at grade with the commercial area.
The slope falls off from street "All down towards one of the
Homeowners Association's ownership parcels.
0 There is a 551 foot set back between street "All and the property line of
the Homeowners Association open space parcel.
Cross Section"D11 - Illustrates beginning from the 57 freeway moving
westerly, cutting through the commercial area, then through the RnP, and
then the Patel property.
The depth of cut at this location is 1111
eet, which is approximately in the middle of
he commercial area.
The depth of f ill at the existing stream is
61 feet. Half of the commercial area is in
he canyon, and half is in the cut area where
he hill exists. Preserving some of the slide
to es and some of the canyon area would
liminate approximatel 1/2 of the proposed 30
cre commercial area.
he park site, moving across the commercial
area, is illustrated, locating street "All on
he southerly portion of the park, as
3uggested by stat f . The park site and the
ommercial site are pretty much at grade
evel, making them assessable to one another.
Depth of cut in this area is 601 feet. There
s a 3201 foot o ens ace separation between
he edge of street "All and the f irst home on
he RnP tract. It illustrates how half off
he park is flat and usable, and how half the
Dark is usable but in a passive open sace
nvironment. The first home of the RnP tract
s separated, from a noise standpoint, from
he active park site.
Moving westerly from the RnP tract into the
Patel tract, illustrating the location of
Morning Sun, there is a 201 foot cut on the
April 26, 1993 Page 6 1
Patel portion. The Patel tract has a blue line stream, and around 50 Oak
Trees associated with it.
Cross Section "Ell - Illustrates north to south through the Homeowners
Association ownership, which is located on the west side of the property cutting
through the Peaceful Hills property.
0 There is approximately an 801 foot setback between the existing homes and
the proposed homes, which generally relates to the setback
characteristics of the RnP and the Patel tracts at that location. The typical
existing grade in depth of fill in this area is about 461 feet.
0 The existing residential Peaceful Hills tract is located at an elevation of 9801
feet. There is an approximate 1651 foot grade differential between the
home that overlooks the HOA open space area and the first home of the
RnP tract. There is an 1111 foot setback difference between the property
line of the Peaceful Hills nearest home and the property line of the
nearest home proposed at the RnP tract at this location.
Cross Section 'IF" - Illustrates from the Peaceful Hills subdivision crossing north,
northwest to a point near Morning Sun Drive in the Patel tract.
0 The existing residential Peaceful Hills is atan elevation of 9301 feet.
0 The proposed grade at RnP is 8101 feet, and there is an 180 foot grade differential.
0 There is no view line obstruction between the existing residential and the proposed
residential. There is a 901 foot property line setback between the RnP
property and the Homeowners Association property. There is a
foot setback between the first home at 165
Peaceful Hills and the first home at RnP.
Cross Section IIGII - Illustrates from Peaceful Hills north, northeast through the
Arciero tract
and through the commercial site.
0 There is a 3201 foot setback between the first existing residential home on Glenthorpe Drive, and a
1001 foot elevation difference between the first home at Glenthorpe Drive and the first home at
the Arciero tract, whereas the Arciero tract would be at a higher elevation.
April 26, 1993 Page 7
The depth of cut at this location is 1031
feet. 0 The beginning of the commercial property is
from Glenthrope Drive to the edge of the residential property.
The depth off ill of the commercial site is 731 feet.
0 The parks site in relationship of the commercial site is illustrated, with street
"All located on the southside. It is a flat pad. The depth of f ill at the park
site is 691 feet. There is a 1001 foot elevation higher to the existing
homes at Peaceful Hills to the park site. The setback is over 1001 feet.
Hardy Strozier concluded the slide presentation, which also concluded staff's
presentation of the various elements of the Master Plan, and the
technical elements of the proposed grading concepts. It is staff's
recommendation that the Planning Commission invite the three developers to
present their respective projects within the proposed South Pointe Master Plan
area. Sasak and RnP have prepared alternative,tentative tract maps for the
Commission's review, which were included in the March 22, 1993 staff report.
chair/ Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 7:05 pm. The meeting was
reconvened at 7:20 p.m.
Chair/Flamenbaum, referring to the South Pointe Master Plan booklet attachment
"B" of the Jan. 25, 1993 meeting, requested more information regarding the
transfer of land.
Hardy Strozier stated that the City owns about 8 acres of residual slope
easement property located along Brea Canyon Road, 2.5 acres of existing
Larkstone Park, and 5 acres of the former Water District property, totaling about
15 acres to be dedicated to the developers. The developer is proposing to
dedicate a 28 acre park site, and another 10 to 15 acres of commercial property,
totaling 38 to 43 acres that will be dedicated to the City. The City will end up with
a net 15 to 20 acres more useable property with this Master Plan in it's various
transactions. The City also gets land back from the School District, in which the
City will transfer that land to RnP, who in turn will transfer commercial acreage
and park acreage to the City.
Jan Dabney, 671 Brea Canyon Road, consultant for RnP and Arciero on the Master
Plan! explained that
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he was hired by RnP, January -of 1991, to meet with the City on the development
of their 78 acres. They met with the City, and individually with the Council members, to propose an empty pallet for
the Council to outline the desires of the community on RnPls ownership., The following concerns were addressed
by the Council: environmental issues surrounding the canyon; the School District's capabilities to proceed with the
construction of a Middle School; the proposed Arciero tract; and concerns on what would occur with this 171 acres
undeveloped, and it's impacts on the surrounding community. After viewing the project for 6 or 7 months, it was
recommended by the then City Manager that a Master Plan or a Specific Plan be developed, allowing for the best
utilization of the entire property. The Master Plan was predicated by a market analysis which addressed many of
the concerns raised by the public such as the devaluing of the adjacent properties, the general development of the
residential aspect and enclaves, the sizing of the lots/ and vacancies. The first consideration of the overall aspects
of the Master Plan was the cost of the land, and the economics of the marketing of the properties. The planning
aspects of the location of the commercial, the park, street "A", the aesthetics of the project, and all the accesses
have been serious studied. If a street is to be realigned, one must consider the dramatic impact it would have on
the entire project. Another major consideration of the Master Plan was a density analysis. It has always been the
intent to have this Master Plan be the least dense development, as far as actual lots per acre, in the entire area,
and to create a recreational area that the children could enjoy. He then reviewed the following densities of the
existing developments: Tract 27141 has a gross area of 75 acres, with 228 single family detached residential units,
and a gross density of 3.04 DU/acre; Area 1, homes surrounding morning Sun, has a gross area of 7.7 acres, with
24 single family detached units, a gross density of 3.12 DU/acre, and an average lot size was 10,800 square feet,
the biggest lot being 15,390 square feet, and the minimum lot being 8,260 square feet; and Area 2 has a gross area
of 32.5 acres, with 117 units, a gross density of 3.6 DU/acre, with an average lot size of 9,450 square feet; Area 3,
surrounding South Pointe Middle School, consists of 109 acres, with 290 units, for a gross density of 2.65 unit, and
an average lot size of 12,760 square feet, with a minimum lot of 7,100 square feet (There was not any dedication of
park or open space in the development of these —4_
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specific project); Area 4, the Pathfinder Homeowners Association, has a gross
area of 89.93 acres, with 173 single family detached residential units, which
includes 36.9 acres of dedicated open space, and an improved 1. 65 acres
developed park within the community, with a gross density of 1.92 DU/acre, and
an average lot size net development of 10,400 square feet, with a minimum lot
size of about 6, 6 0 0 square f eet. The Pathf inder Homeowners Association was
a density transfer from the two open spaces set aside to allow the cluster
development under County zoning.
VC/Meyer inquired of the difference between gross density and net net density.
Jan Dabney explained that the net net number is derived from the actual lot,
excluding the street, parks, dedicated open space, and calculates the intensity of
the development and not density. There are three density configurations: gross
density which includes the street; net density which includes all the park and
open space, but excludes the street; and the net net density that excludes
everything but the true lot.
CDD/DeStefano confirmed that the density provisions in the City's Zoning
Ordinance are based upon gross density.
Jan Dabney then reviewed the following densities of the proposed developments:
Area 5, the RnP development, has a gross area of 61.6 acres, with 90 single
family detached residential units, which includes the dedication of 2.5 acres of
open space and 28.05 acres of park, and has a gross density of 1.46 units per
acre, with an average lot size of almost 12,000 square feet, a,maximum lot size
of 18,700 square feet, and a minimum lot size of 9,000 square feet; Area 6, the
Arciero development, has a gross area of about 41 acres, with 91 single family
detached residential units, which includes 14.1 acres of dedicated open space,
and a gross density of 2.23 units per acre, with an average lot size of 9,200
square feet, a maximum lot size of 17,200, and a minimum lot size of 7,200
square feet; the combined area of Arciero and RnP is 102 acres with 181 single
family units, with a gross density of 1.77 units per acre over the Master Plan; the
Patel property, depending on the final proposal, goes from 1.77 to 1.85 average
density across the Master Plan.
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Jan Dabney stated then that all concerns have been considered and evaluated.
An analysis, completed about two years ago to determine the feasibility of leaving
a portion of the canyon open, concluded that doing so would not really be a
benefit to the City because it would still require the removal'of the top of the hill,
the removal of the vegetation, and the buttressing of the existing slides. This
Master Plan, as presented, was developed to blend the various aspects desired
by the City. The park cont iguration was laid — out to , break up the commercial
from the School District, and the commercial from the residential development,
and to provide an excellent buffer between the existing development on top of
Peaceful Hills and the commercial. The location of street "All serves to provide for
some protection in case there is a condition of slippage. Those opposing the
project seem to be 1 part politician, 1 part environmentalist, and 5 parts "not in my
back yard". , Those on morning sun have indicated that they are opposed to the
development because they have a substandard street. However, in reality,
Morning Sun is not a substandard street, and though there is no sidewalk built in
the right-of-way, they do enjoy the use of 12 feet of the County's property instead.
If this project was not to be approved because of the sidewalk, which is about an
$18,000 cost, the owners of the property would probably be willing to resolve this
single issue.
VC/Meyer inquired if the developers met with the Pathfinder Homeowners
Association to explore the possibilities of improving their existing open space
property for additional passive recreational, and exploring possibilities of allowing
public access to the area.
Jan Dabney stated that, in his opinion, the concern that the Pathfinder
Homeowners Association had, regarding the enhancement of their property and
the passive area around there, was that they preferred not to give up anything
in.their fight to stop the project. If in fact the project does develop, they would
probably then give some consideration to those mitigations.
VC/Meyer inquired if it would be provide public access to
possible to
the Association's open space for passive use. He also
Homeowners
inquired if part of landslide is within the Pathfinders
recreational the
Association's open space area.
ancient
Homeowners
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Jan Dabney stated that the open space area does lend itself nicely to passive
recreational aspects. The ancient landslide appears to stem from Mr. Schad's
house down to the park.
VC/Meyer requested a preliminary engineering feasibility study of moving road
"All northerly against the Arciero project.
Jan Dabney stated that locating the road on the northerly side,` adjacent to the
Arciero tract, saves some of the Oak trees, but it does not yield as much of the
canyon as anticipated because a 2:1 slope would not be allowed within the City
due to the hillside considerations to that specific grading avenue. If there was no
improvement to the canyon whatsoever, the true location for Street "All would be
on the southern end of the property because it has the least intrusive impact on
the canyon coming from that direction. He then pointed out that the private
property owners involved in this Master Plan have a development potential of
452 dwelling units, but only approximately 200 units are being proposed.
Furthermore, almost 50% of the entire RnP and Arciero ownership, within the
residential development, is being transferred to either passive or recreational
park facility or open space.
Jan Dabney, in response to VC/Meyer's inquiry regarding the closures of Rapid
View and Larkstone, stated that, strictly from an engineering point of view'with no
consideration to City policy, every street should be connected to lessen the
impact on every specific neighborhood. It is not desired having just emergency
access to Morning Sun because of the associated fire hazards, even though the
minimum fire department standards are met by having emergency access only to
Morning Sun.
Upon the request of C/Grothe, Jan Dabney showed the slide illustrating the
location of the development as compared to the location of the existing canyon.
About 1.4 million yards of dirt will have to be cut to create that commercial strip
center, regardless if any of the dirt is put in the canyon. The tree count does go
down on the easterly side of the specific canyon, but the tree size appears to be
more significant,.
C/Grothe suggested that, as an alternative to what has been proposed, a portion
of the dirt be put on the east side of the canyon to gain back a fair amount of the
commercial pad, and then placing the
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rest of the dirt on the center of the development creating a hill in the middle, with
Brea Canyon and the school on either side. This mimics the general topography
of the city, which are hillsides, and mitigates the problems associated with lights,
and sounds from the freeway. Though this configuration would eliminate a lot of
the -park, it also reduces grading and cutting down into the canyon. The road
would be designed at the base, wrapping around with some access roads into the
housing development, and no homes would front that road. I
Jan Dabney pointed out that most of the Councilmembers urged them to consider
a strong, large, active recreational community. Having a smaller commercial
development, and leaving a portion of the canyon, was considered, however, if
the commercial development becomes too narrow along Brea Canyon Road then
' terrible marketing constraints develop. one of the considerations -of this project
is the huge traffic generator immediately before us. The traffic count on the 57
freeway is dramatic to this project.
C/Grothe stated that the developers have a responsibility to build a project that
resembles the rest of Diamond Bar. Most of the -development in Diamond Bar
does not have such gigantic flat pads and development, but rather terraces up
and down hills.
Jan Dabney pointed out that the mountain, for the development in the Pathfinder
Homeowners Association, was completely cut off flat, and the entire cut,was put
in the original Sandstone Canyon headwaters. We are very sensitive to this
specific neighborhood, more so, historically, than people have been in the past.
C/Grothe stated that he has been requesting potentials and possibilities for the
last 6 months demonstrating why the shopping center would or would not work. It
is important to remember that what is hot in retail building and construction today
may change in two to three years. it is short sighted to do planning based upon
sales tax revenues. There is a need to review the options to determine if the
project presented is the best project to be proposed.
Jan Dabney pointed out that the one thing not changing is the City's declining
revenue versus service costs. He explained that -many of the things being
suggested through mitigation have
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already added over $5,000 per lot for the planning function, and $7,500 per lot
for tree mitigation for Mr. Arciero's project. If the wheel is reinvented at this
point, from a conceptual point of view, it would add a substantial amount of
money to the cost of the development. After 2,000 man hours on this project, the
plan presented today is very sensitive to the community needs.
C/Plunk requested Mr. Dabney to compare this project to the approximate 200
unit project turned down by LA County a f ew years back. She then suggested
that there be consideration made to assure that the commercial center is not a
size that would only hold dry cleaners and pizza parlors.
Chair/Flamenbaum inquired if there has been a survey conducted on the San
Diego horned lizard, as referred to in the EIR.
Hardy Strozier stated that the survey has been conducted which indicated that
the horned lizard is not on the site. The written results of the survey will be given
to the Commission when it is received. Furthermore, the Pacific Southwest
Biological Services, Inc. have contended that there are no cougars present in the
canyon.
Chair/Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 9:08 p.m. The meeting was
reconvened at 9:20 p.m.
Frank Arciero Jr., of Arciero & Sons, 950 N. Tustin, Anaheim, made the following
comments: they have researched and studied various different designs to the
project to try and mitigate the potential problems; the site is unique in that one is
confined in certain areas; staff has been available to answer any of the
Commission's questions up to this point; the project presented, and denied,
before the LA County Planning commission was for a 120 unit seniors
development; when the School District expressed an interest in buying part of the
property, they returned to the County's Commission with an R-1 development,
but because the City, at that time, was ready to incorporate, the project was put
aside, and he decided to wait until after incorporation to present a project; the
City called him a year later to discuss master planning the entire area; 3 1/2
years later, we are still trying to discuss the master plan; and an EIR was
circulated and approved allowing him to move the dirt, and he has the funding
and the mechanism. to move the dirt today;
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and he has not moved the dirt because he has wanted to be in good standing
with the -City. In response to VC/Meyerl,s inquiry regarding the history of the
Rapid View access to his site, Mr. Arciero Jr. explained that originally there was
access to Larkstone Drive and Rapid View,—but there was a lot of opposition and
concern that the development would create a lot of traffic going through Rapid
View. During the course of mediation, the School came forward and suggested
the configuration proposed today, with the primary access being on Brea Canyon
Road to include an emergency access. The design for South Pointe Middle
School has been completed and approved by the State architect. Though access
to the school from the project has been cut off, a pedestrian access will -be
created through a walkway so that the children can take access to the school via
a path.
Hardy Strozier confirmed that the Arciero development will generate 30 trips a day,
which is not a significant number of new trips for a local collector.
VC/Meyer inquired if Arciero's project could be redesigned to provide access to
Rapid View.
Frank Arciero Jr. stated that the redesign may be feasible but research would be
needed to determine to what extent, taking into consideration the School
constraints. In response to Chair/Flamenbaum, he stated that there is no present
impediment for them to move that dirt at this point, with the exception of obtaining
a Fish and Game Permit, which is not a problem. The dirt has not been -moved at
this time because he would pref er to work with the City. He then corrected that
the amount of dirt generated by this plan is no more than 4.5 million cubic yards
of dirt, as opposed to the 9 million that was mentioned. In response to C/Grothe,
Frank Arciero Jr. stated that though he does not yet have the grading permit to
dirt, he could work something out with the move the
school district to do the grading, if needed.
James Budke, President of Budke Design, 5 Wrigley, Irvine, representing Mr.
Patel, made the following comments regarding the proposed project: there are
6.7 acres with an average slope of 12% to 15%; there is a 1361 feet of elevation
change from the lowest point to the highest point; there is a portion of blue line
stream, of about 300 feet, on site; there are 53 coast live oaks to be removed;
there are 23 lots proposed; there will be 145,800
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cubic yards of cut; the on site fill is 8,790 cubic yards with an -export of about
58,000 cubic yards; the deepest cut occurs on lot #16 of 41 feet; the highest fill
on the site is on lot #14 for approximately 50 feet; the minimum lot size is 8, OGO
square feet; the minimum pad size proposed is 6,000 square feet; the largest lot
is 16,700 square feet; the average lot is 10,200 square feet; and the density is
3.43, which is comparable to the surrounding neighborhood. He then presented
several alternatives to the site, as indicated in the staff report, that have been laid
out responding to comments made by the Commission, staff, and members of
the audience. He then presented a slide presentation illustrating a brief overview
of the alternatives for Mr. Patel's site, as presented in the staff report. Concept #4
is the preferred proposed alternative.
Chair/ Flamenbaum, noting that Concept #4 completely disenfranchises those
residents that live in that area from the City, in terms of any physical connection,
stated that, in his opinion, it is an error not to directly link those people with the
city.
James Budke explained that the decision not to provide for a direct link came
from his client, who is responding to a lot of comments addressed to him by
many of the residents on Morning Sun.
In response to Chair/Flamenbaum, he stated that the gross density is 3.43, and
the draft General Plan calls for a zoning of RPD 10,000-6U.
Chair/Flamenbaum pointed out that the draft General Plan currently indicates
that 3DU/acre is allowed in that zone.
C/Grothe thanked the applicant for.his efforts in drawing a number of
alternatives, illustrating what a number of the suggestions made would look like.
C/Li inquired if Mr. Patel has definitely decided to be part of the Master Plan
process. He also inquired what is meant by a blue line stream.
James Budke indicated that Mr. Patel is definitely
part of this Master Plan. In regards to the blue line stream, he explained that the
term blue line comes from it's actual, physical depiction on a USGS topography
map. At one point in time, this stream was a much longer, and larger stream. The
water found in the stream now generally is runoff from the south slope
landscaping and lawn
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irrigation. once it is designated as a blue line stream, then it is always a blue line
stream regardless of the size.
Hardy Strozier explained that the federal agencies use the USGS quad as a first
indicator of a navigatable water way of the United States, and Section 404 of the
Federal Clean Water Attl requires a dredge and fill permit within the navigatable water
way. Following this, a stream bed alteration permit is also required from the California
Park Fish and Game.
C/Li stated that, if this project is to be approved by the City Council, he would
prefer that cop and gutter not be - used in any of the storm drain services.
In response to VC/Meyer, James Budke confirmed that all existing oak trees,
which are mostly clustered, will be removed and replaced according to the City's
2:1 ratio policy. He also indicated that at this time, no consideration has been
made to designing an architectural feature with the trees on a valley rather than
on a slope. It is Mr. Patel's intent to pay in lieu fees rather than providingany
recreational space.
VC/Meyer, referring to Concept #4, inquired if consideration has been given to the
problem that all municipal service delivery is to be made out of the City.
Hardy Strozier stated that staff has considered this and has recommended,that the
access be through to Morning Sun, and that there be a maximum of 21 dwelling units.
VC/Meyer expressed his concern that the residents on the cul-de-sac will experience a major change in
it's existing lifestyle when the street at the indicated location is introduced. He suggested that a full
range of design options be considered, including clustering, to try to save some of the open space, and
that there be consideration to a common recreational area.
James Budke pointed out that Concept #4 does not have a through street to that cul-de-sac. We have
tried to be as sensitive as possible to the residents on Morning Sun in that regard. There is flexibility on
the site, and there was an attempt to consider a variety of options-, and constraints.
ri-w
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Chair/ Flamenbaum recessed the meeting at 10:40 p.m. The meeting was
reconvened at 10:50 p.m.
Chair/Flamenbaum suggested that the Commission focus on the concept of the
draft General Plan. He reminded the audience that the Commission does plan to
meet again Thursday, April 29, 1993 to allow additional time for public
comments.
VC/Meyer suggested that, since the commission, in essence, has made closure
on the environmental document, the public may prefer to focus on the land use
issues of the canyon rather than the environmental issues.
Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing opened.
Sherry Roberts, residing at 2660 Broken Feather responding to some of the
comments -made by C/Grothe, pointed out that "trashing" the canyon is a matter
of opinion, and in her opinion, building a beautiful school, adding beautiful homes
equivalent to the existing homes, and adding a park, is not "trashing" the canyon.
She then presented a video, produced by students -from South Pointe Middle
School, depicting the conditions existing at the school today, which include
overcrowded portable classrooms, dangerous traffic conditions in the morning
and the afternoon, overcrowded lunch time conditions, and problems occurring
when it rains. She stressed the urgency of building a school immediately. The
developers have a right to develop on property owned by them.
Vinod Kashyap, residing at 21452 Chirping Sparrow Road, made the following
comments: the schools in Kenya, Africa are in better condition than South Pointe
Middle School; the developers should not be required to redo the entire process
for the benefit of one Commissioner; he too pays taxes therefore his voice should
carry as much weight as the Pathfinder Homeowner's Association; he moved to
Diamond Bar because he wanted his children to get a good education in a good
environment; and the children should take precedent over the interests of a few
selfish people.
An York Lee, residing at 20724 Gernside Drive, submitted a letter for the record
indicating his support for the construction of the school. The school project
should be separated from the rest of the proposed project so that it's construction
is no longer delayed.
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Max Maxwell concurred thata,school is -needed, and suggested that the school
project be separated from the rest of the proposals. Concerned that there is no
General Plan 1 he requested a letter confirming why the EIR has been separated
from the rest of the project, if the Planning commission did actually recommend
it's approval to the City Council, and if it is possible for the Planning Commission
to approve the entire project without it ever going before the City Council.
George Barrett, a resident, concurring that a school should be built, stated that, in
hisopinion, the school is being held hostage to get the rest of the project
approved. He pointed out that other citizens oppose the -project, not just the
Pathfinder Homeowners Association, and that other schools in Diamond Bar suffer
from similar conditions as those present at the South Pointe Middle School. This
project will only bring on additional traffic, compounding horrendous traffic
conditions already present.
Dr. Gorman made the following comments: it may be illegal to finalize an EIR
without an approved General Plan; he is planning on conferring with the LA
County Planning Commission to determine if Oak trees 811 in diameter with a
girth of about 2511, and if heritage trees of 2011 in diameter, can be removed;
the biology and the geology portion of the draft EIR is faulty; he saw 8 or 9
cougar tracks, a few weeks ago, in Sandstone Canyon; the canyon is a transit
corridor for cougars between Tonner Canyon and to the west; and, in his opinion,
the project is being forced through.
Barbara Beach Cushane, residing at 2021 Peaceful Hills Road, made the following
comments: the EIRconcludes that the noise impacts could not be mitigated
beyond a significant level, which is contrary to Mr. Strozier's comment that the
project will not create a noise problem; the proposed homes will interfere with the
existing view; this project dramatically and negatively affects the quality of life of
the homeowners; there are other scientists, just as accountable as the developer's
scientists, that disagree vehemently with the conclusions brought f orth; it is quite
true that she does not want the project in her backyard.; originally, this land was
zoned open space, or a possible park, as is indicated in the tract map; it was the
City, after incorporation, that rezoned that land and allowed this project to be
considered tonight; the Pathfinder's Homeowners were told that the land
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would not be developed; she thanked C/Grothe f or his comments made, and
indicated that they too are waiting for answers to questions asked last November
of 1992; and she pointed out that school quality has nothing to do with brick and
mortar.
CDD/DeStefano, upon the request of C/Plunk, explain -ed that there has been no
zone changes in that area since the City incorporated, and that the zoning for
that area is exactly as it was upon incorporation in April of 1989. The only thing
changed was the adoption of the Land Use classification, with the approval of the
General Plan in July of 1992, which of course has since been rescinded.
Bill Tinsmen, a resident, expressed his concern that decisions are being made
without a General Plan. He inquired if upon the approval of this development,
and if the commercial center at Pathfinder and Brea Canyon is no longer vacant,
and the business condition at the Albertson center suddenly improves, would the
traffic conditions be such that the existing residents in Area "All would be able to
egress from their tract without needing another signal. He concurred that the
condition of the school is horrendous but that the issue should be brought before
the School District. The school issue should be separated for this development. .
Don Schad, residing at 1824 Shaded Wood Road, thanked the planners and the
developers for the presentation made this evening.
Hearing no further testimony, Chair/Flamenbaum declared the Public Hearing
closed.
Hardy Strozier, in response to a comment made by Mrs. Cushane, explained that
the EIR indicates that the noise, from any point of the project, can be mitigated to
levels that are adequate according to the City's noise guidelines.
C/Plunk requested staff to respond, at the next meeting, if the South Pointe
Middle School dirt can moved as indicated by Mr. Arciero Jr..
Following discussion, the Planning Commission concurred to continue the public
hearing to April 29, 1993 at 7:00 p.m., understanding that VC/Meyer and
C/Grothe cannot be present due to a conflict of schedules.
INFORMATION CDD/DeStefano reported that the General Plan
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ITEMS: process for revision has begun with two community workshops held, each having 25 people in
attendance representing various interests within the community. He also reported
that the issue of reorganization will be on the May 10, 1993 meeting agenda.
ADJOURNMENT: Motion was made by VC/Meyer, seconded by C/Grothe and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to
adjourn the meeting at 11:45 p.m. to April 29, 1993 at 7:00 p.m.
Re ective James DeStefano Secretary
Attest: Bruce Flamenbaum Chairman
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