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CITY OF DIAMOND BAR
MINUTES OF THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
DECEMBER 10, 1992
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Chavers called the meeting to order at
6:32 p.m. at the South Coast Air Quality Management
District Room, 21865 East Copley Drive, Diamond
Bar, California.
PLEDGE OF The audience was led in the Pledge of Allegiance by
ALLEGIANCE: Vice Chairman Gravdahl.
ROLL CALL: Commissioners: Ury, Cheng, Beke, Vice Chairman
Gravdahl, and Chairman Chavers.
Also present were Administrative Analyst Tseday
Aberra, Traffic Engineer Warren Siecke, Sergeant
Rawlings, and Contract Secretary Liz Myers.
MINUTES: C/Ury requested the Minutes of November 12, 1992 be
amended on page 8, the first line, to indicate that
Nov. 12, 1992 he "recommended the following corrections", and
amend the second to the last line to indicate "the
deposit plus...".
C/Cheng requested that the minutes be amended on
page 8 to properly spell the words "indicate" and
"read".
C/Beke and VC/Gravdahl will be abstaining from
voting on the minutes of November 12, 1992 because
they were not present during that meeting.
Motion was made by C/Ury, seconded by C/Cheng and
CARRIED to approve the Minutes of November 12,
1992, as amended.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: U r y, C h e n g, a n d
Chair/Chavers.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: C/Beke and VC/Gravdahl.
COMMISSION C/Ury, referring to the Quail Summit area recently
COMMENTS: resurfaced, inquired when the restriping of the
intersections with stop signs will be completed.
AA/Aberra indicated that those areas will be
painted once the slurry seal has been inspected.
C/Beke requested that the matter regarding the 3
way stop sign on Brea Canyon Road/Pathfinder Road
be placed on next month's agenda, with a staff
report as to the reason why the sign cannot be
installed immediately, as was recommended
repeatedly by the Commission. He also expressed
his concern that the staff report, to the City
Council, regarding the Grand Ave./Gold Nugget
issue, did not accurately convey the Commission's
action.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS:
Clem Ziroli, from the First Mortgage Corporation,
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expressed his concern with the posting of the "2
Hour Parking, 8:00 'a.m. to 5:00 p.m." signs at
Fallow Field/Brea Canyon Cut-off Road area. The
posting of the 'signs `creates an unsafe environment
for the employees, who either must move their cars
every two hours, or: park on Brea Canyon Cut-off
Road. A stop sign should be placed at Brea Canyon
Cut-off Road so that the employees could park in
that area, and safely cross the intersection. He
inquired why parking has been prohibited along
westerly side of Fallow Field Drive directly across
from the building even though no homes are impacted
there.
Chair/Chavers explained that the signs have been
posted as an attempt to resolve the problem of
people parking in that' residential neighborhood.
Staff has been directed to post the signs, monitor
the results, and'report back to the Commission. He
explained to Mr. Ziroli that it is not the
responsibility of the citizens of Diamond Bar to
provide parking for businesses on every street.
C/Ury stated that he was under the impression that
the signs were, not to extend to the building area
on either side of the street.'
Sgt. Rawlings noted that 'the signs are posted on
the north and south side of the street, however, on
the south side of the street, the signs do not
begin until the first _residential home. The
community service officer has issued warnings as
directed by the Council.
Chair/Chavers suggested that staff determine why
the signs along the hillside bank on the north side
of Fallow Field Drive the street were posted. If
it is determined that the signs need to be bagged,
then staff is to handle it administratively.
INFORMATIONAL
Hardy Strozier, Project Manager of the South Pointe
ITEMS:
Master Plan, gave _abrief overview of the project
description, as 'presented in the draft EIR. The
Intro of
following is a summarisation of that overview% the
South Pointe
proposed 171 acre project site is located north of
Project
Pathfinder Road, and west of Brea Canyon Road;
there is an existing 30 acre temporary South Pointe
Middle School located on theprojectsite, and part
of the project is to complete the final grading in
order to construct the permanent school; there are
three tracts associated with this project, totaling
approximately 100 lots ranging in size from 8,000
to 10,000 square feet; there is a proposed 31 -acre
specific to the various subdivisions. A traffic
consultant will be available next time this matter
is brought before the Commission to respond to the
Commission's concerns regarding traffic management
and on-site traffic configurations. The draft EIR
was circulated on November 30, 1992, and the
environmental review period will close on January
18, 1993. The Commission will receive the
responses made, to the comments received on the
draft EIR from other public agencies and interested
persons.
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Associates, stated that both Arciero and RNP
commercial site; there is a proposed 8 to 10 -acre
community park site; there is an approximate 2 -acre
land transfer from the City's existing Larkstone
Park to the Walnut Valley Unified School District;
there has been a 4 -acre acquisition of land by the
City from the Water District; there will be a
transfer or vacation of 6 acres of City -owned land
to the developers; there will be a transfer of 10
to 15 acres of commercial property to the City; and
there will be a transfer of 8 to 10 acres of usable
community park site to the City. Mr. Strozier
pointed out that the majority of the Commission's
traffic issues can be found in section IV, of the
draft EIR, on page IV -93, which gives a brief and
thorough evaluation of the impacts of the existing
condition in that area, as well as an evaluation of
the existing conditions plus the project in its
phase one and phase two anticipated configuration.
The mitigation measures are on page IV -99. The
draft EIR, chapter VI, page VI -31, outlines various
alternatives to the project, dealing with different
street and land use configurations that are site
specific to the various subdivisions. A traffic
consultant will be available next time this matter
is brought before the Commission to respond to the
Commission's concerns regarding traffic management
and on-site traffic configurations. The draft EIR
was circulated on November 30, 1992, and the
environmental review period will close on January
18, 1993. The Commission will receive the
responses made, to the comments received on the
draft EIR from other public agencies and interested
persons.
Jan Dabney, Senior Partner of JC Dabney &
Associates, stated that both Arciero and RNP
Development have been attempting to develop their
parcels for a few years. The City requested that
all the owners get together and develop the entire
171 acres as a planned project. The plan is well
represented, and includes mitigation measures to
help alleviate the traffic problems, associated
with the South Pointe Middle School, in that
neighborhood. The City is also requesting that the
developers participate immediately, upon approval
of the project, in the improvements of Pathfinder
Road, the overpass, and Brea Canyon Road.
Hardy Strozier, per Chair/Chavers' request,
explained that he is retained by the City of
Diamond Bar to act as project manager, to manage a
series of consultants that have been utilized in
the preparation of the Master Plan and a
Development Agreement, to assist in the review of
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the various entitlement documents, tentative tract
maps, and so -forth, and to help construct the
various findings and statements that will be
required by the Commissions, and the Council, as
part of the planning process.
OLD BUSINESS:
AA/Aberra presented the staff report regarding the
request made by a citizen for the installation of a
Cut through
"No Right Turn, between 4:00 p.m. -7:00 p.m." sign,
traffic on
on Rolling Knoll" Road and Country View Drive at
Quail Summit
Grand Ave., in -order to mitigate cut -through
Dr. from Diamondtraffic on Quail 'Summit Drive from Diamond Bar
Bar Blvd. to
Boulevard to Grand Ave.
Grand Ave.
Warren Siecke stated that the technique of
prohibiting rightturns during certain hours in
residential areas has been effective in the past.
Therefore, it is recommended that, initially, a "No
Right Turn, between 4:00 p.m. -6:00 p.m., Monday -
Friday" sign be installed on Rolling Knoll Road at
Grand Avenue along with. a W-41 sign on Rolling
Knoll in advance of the traffic signal at Grand
Ave. If motorists 'do begin to turn on to Country
View Drive , off of Rolling Knoll Road, to access
Grand Ave., then the same kind of restriction at
the Country View Drive/Grand Ave. intersection can
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be implemented, if deemed necessary.
AA/Aberra, in response to C/Ury, stated that the
residents were not notified of this proposed action
because it was staff's understanding that the
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matter may be, postponed to the January, 1993
meeting and discussed along with the matter of the
right turn lane on Diamond Bar Blvd. at Grand
Avenue.
C/Beke noted that many motorists will get trapped
within that neighborhood because they can get into
the area but are not allowed access out.
Chair/Chavers pointed out that cut through traffic
is a learned behavior. Those using the route know
the area, and will find out quickly that it cannot
be used any longer.`, He inquired if a sign can be
installed to warn motorists of the proposed
restriction so that they do not get trapped and
wander around more streets than necessary.
Warren Siecke suggested that a warning sign can be
posted at Diamond Bar Blvd. and Quail Summit Drive
that indicates, "No Right. Turn at Diamond Bar and
Rolling Knoll".
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C/Beke pointed out that the "Local Access Only"
sign at Diamond Bar Blvd. and Quail Summit Drive
did not stop the cut -through traffic. He indicated
that, normally, he would be opposed to this type of
action, however, in this case, he concurs with
staff because the residents will not want to, for
the most part, turn right at those hours of the
day.
Mike Hemy, resident of Chino Hills, with an office
at Fallow Field Dr./Diamond Bar Blvd., inquired if
the signs have been requested because of increased
accidents in that neighborhood.
Chair/Chavers explained that there is a queue of 5
to 10 cars waiting to turn right from Rolling
Knoll, most going to Chino Hills. There have not
been any accidents largely because the children in
that neighborhood do not play outside during the
week because of the increase in traffic.
Mike Hemy stated that he feels the traffic problem
coming from Diamond Bar Blvd. on to Brea Canyon
Cut-off Road heading towards Fairway is a much more
serious problem than this residential problem in
which no accidents have occurred.
Chair/Chavers pointed out that the two situations
are not the same. There are financial
considerations for a signal on Brea Canyon Cut-off,
Road and there are technical and legal
considerations why a stop sign cannot be installed.
Don Lemly, residing at 1387 Rolling Knoll Road,
expressed his concern that if a sign is not also
installed at Country View Drive, the traffic will
just reroute to that street. He suggested that the
time of the restriction be extended to 7:00 p.m.
Debbie Renegar, residing at 1386 Rolling Knoll
Road, stated that she had also requested, at the
November meeting, that a blinking light be
installed just before the Rolling Knoll Road/Quail
Summit Drive intersection to warn motorists of the
upcoming traffic signal. That same intersection
needs to be restriped. She concurred that the
right turn restriction signs need to be posted on
Country View Drive as well, and that the time be
extended to 7:00 p.m. She requested that the signs
be installed as soon as possible and that the
matter not be postponed to January of 1993.
Warren Siecke stated that staff's suggestion, that
the signs be as least restrictive as possible, was
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so not to inconvenience
than necessary.. Staff
neighborhood is willing,
4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.`.
the neighborhood anymore
has no objection, if the
to accept those hours from
C/Ury stated that the matter should have been
noticed so that further input could have been
provided. It is reasonable to request that
something be done to keep intrusion traffic out of
their neighborhood. If the signs are installed,
then he would recommend that there be a period of
time to notice_: motorists of the upcoming
restrictive signs. VC/Gravdahl concurred.
C/Cheng concurred, that the signs should be
installed at Country View Drive as well because the
street may become congested if placed only at
Rolling Knoll Road.
Chair/Chavers stated that, though he supports the
restrictive signs, there needs to be more of an
open forum notifying the public of this proposed
action. Once the signs are installed, there will
be an increase: of traffic milling throughout the
neighborhood for several weeks, which could upset a
lot of residents. die' -suggested that staff contact
the corner house, .facing east on Rolling Knoll Road
abutting up to Grand Ave., to see if they would
allow a construction panel sign on their property
for a couple, of weeks to warn motorists of the
proposed restrictive signs. Once the signs go up,
the Sheriff Department would then issue warnings
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for the five-day period, and then issue citations.
C/Beke, concurring with C/Ury that if, a sign is
posted on Country View Drive', motorists may take a
left turn during rush hour, at an unsignalized
intersection, to ,cross Grand Avenue, inquired if
there is a way to avoid that situation. He
suggested that the sign be posted at Rolling Knoll
Road first, and if there is a problem than change
it to Country View Drive , with some advanced
notice that there is no outlet there during rush
hour.
Chair/Chavers suggested that the item be tabled,
with direction to staff to provide formal notice to
the residents, and include a specific procedure as
to how this process will occur, such as the posting
of the large advance warning sign for a designated
period of time, and the following kinds of
restrictive signs to beposted, and their
locations.
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C/Ury suggested that a "Not a Through Street" sign
be posted at Deer Crossing .Drive so that the
motorists could circle around, and eventually end
up back down at Grand Ave. and Diamond Bar Blvd.
There are alternate solutions, and a little bit
more investigation should take place on it. He
concurred that the residents should be notified.
Don Lemly suggested that the signs be installed to
see what the reaction will be. There will always
be some objections to change regardless what is
done. If an issue arises that cannot be dealt
with, then the signs can be bagged until it is
resolved.
Debbie Renegar pointed out that they have come
before the Commission with this issue a year ago.
We are the people who care and who are consistently
here year after year. She suggested that the signs
be posted first to draw out any comments from the
residents.
Motion was made by VC/Gravdahl and seconded by
' C/Ury to request staff to give legal notification
to the residents, with a specific plan included in
that notification, to include Rolling Knoll Road
and Country View Drive for the warning signs and
the restrictive signs as recommended by staff, and
brought back to the January, 1993 Commission
meeting.
C/Ury reiterated that the residents should be
notified before a decision is made. Staff needs to
investigate other alternatives because he is
concerned that people will make a left hand turn at
Grand Ave. and Country View Drive. There is
probably a better solution than no right turns at
both locations.
C/Beke pointed out that a better solution is
prohibiting a right turn on Quail Summit at Diamond
Bar Blvd., however, the community may not want to
live with that. There will probably not be a great
demand for those residents to make that right turn
during those hours.
C/Cheng suggested a permit system to allow the
neighboring tract to make a right turn.
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h ir/ havers explained that a permit idea has been
brought to the attention of the City Manager and
the Council, and the response has been that the
City is not in the position to fund such a program.
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AA/Aberra, in response to C/Ury's inquiry if staff
can give notification in time to bring the matter
back in January of 1993, stated that staff will
send out notification of the proposed signs
immediately.
The Commission voted upon the Motion made by
VC/Gravdahl.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Ury, Beke, Cheng,
VC/Gravdahl, and
Chair/Chavers.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: None.
Remove Parking
AA/Aberra reported that, pursuant to the
Restrictions
Commission's request of November 12, 1992, staff
on Colima Rd.
has provided a site plan identifying the lane
east of
designations and street dimensions to study
Lemon Ave.
potential ,traffic movement conflicts on Colima
Road, east of Lemon Avenue. The owner of Charlie's
Sandwich Shoppe is requesting the removal of the
existing "No Stopping Anytime" sign on the north
side of Colima Road, east of Lemon Avenue, and is
requesting the consideration of a 2 -hour parking
restriction sign in front of the shopping center in
order to provide delivery trucks an area to load
and unload, thus allowing smaller vehicles to
maneuver easier within the current parking lot. It
is recommended that the Commission recommend to the
City Council the removal of the existing "No
Parking Anytime" signs and install "2 -hour parking"
signs in front of the shopping center.
Charles Ricotta, residing at 20651 Colima Road,
Walnut, owner of Charlie's Sandwich Shoppe,
expressed his support for staff's recommendation.
Sgt. Rawlings reiterated the Sheriff's Department's
opposition to the continued expansion of time
parking controls because of the difficulty in
enforcement.
C/Beke stated that there needs to be some striping
to channelize the 36 foot area to protect motorists
exiting the driveway, to include another through
lane, and designate a right -turn only lane.
Chair/Chavers, concurring with C/Beke, stated that
he is not opposed to the parking scenario, but is
uncomfortable that street is in an untenable
position. Staff can take care of the
channelization plan without bringing it back to the
Commission.
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C/Beke stated that the channelization plan is to
include a second through lane striped, the right
turn lane striped, and stripe at least 10 or 12
feet out from the curb so that there is room to
pull out of that driveway and see around a truck.
Charles Ricotta, in response to C/Ury, stated that
the 2 -hour parking is needed for added parking for
the customers, as well as for deliveries.
C/Ury pointed out that even with a 2 -hour parking
area, the trucks may still park inside the parking
area. A loading zone may handle the situation
better than a 2 -hour parking zone.
Charlie Ricotta stated that a 2 -hour parking sign
would allow parking for either customers or
delivery trucks.
C/Ury suggested that the area be left without the
"No Parking" signs, and the employees should be
instructed to park out in the street to let the
customers have the convenience of parking inside
' the lot. This would probably promote less movement
of traffic.
C/Beke pointed out that the City does not want
overnight parking of rigs on Colima Road.
Chair/Chavers stated that since the owner feels
that the 2 -hour parking would work, he has no
objection to the recommendation made. However, if
the 2 -hour parking does not work, then the owner
should be responsible to pay for the next set of
signs.
Motion was made by C/Beke, seconded by
Chair/Chavers and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to accept
staff's recommendation, with the provisions that
the #2 traffic lane, a right turn only lane, be
striped through there, and that the lane be far
enough from the curb so that the cars exiting the
driveway can see around the parked vehicles.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Ury, Beke, Cheng,
VC/Gravdahl, and
Chair/Chavers.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
' ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: None.
Policy AA/Aberra reported that the Commission requested
Statement that the current locations, which are served by
for estab. adult crossing guards, be identified and ranked
warrants for accordingly. Based on the counts of school
adult crossing children, conducted during the week of September
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guards 14, 1992, staff has compiled the following list, as
presented in the staff report. It is recommended
that the Commission adopt the attached policy for
determining crossing guard warrants.
C/Beke stated that there is not a crossing guard at
the intersection of Golden Springs Drive/Ballena
Road, but at Ballena Drive/Meadow Falls Drive, and
that he doubts there are 416 average daily trips at
that location.
AA/Aberra stated that the number is the total count
made throughout the day.
C/Beke noted also that the Ballena Drive/Meadow
Falls Drive intersection should not be priority #1
because it is within 200 feet of a signalized
controlled intersection, and is not eligible for a
crossing guard under the warrants.
Chair/Chavers explained that the list is simply a
ranking list according to the number of students.
The crossing guards are all grandfathered in for
the year. He had requested this list for some
measure to be provided for purpose of comparison,
and not for ranking.
Warren Siecke, in response to C/Beke, confirmed
that, typically, a crossing guard is not warranted
if it is 200 feet within a signalized intersection.
He suggested that the Commission consider a ranking
scheme where the number of conflicts of vehicles
vs. children are looked at.
Chair/Chavers pointed out that CalTrans has never
had control of a residential street in it's entire
existence. They created their warrants for two
lane highways that had no driveways, and had high
speed traffic. Those warrants are for their own
use, and not a municipal based warrants.
C/Beke concurred with Chair/Chavers, but pointed
out that there are other warrants available, such
as LA County.
Motion was made by VC/Gravdahl, seconded by C/Ury
and CARRIED to adopt staff's recommendation.
AYES: COMMISSIONERS: Ury, VC/Gravdahl, and
Chair/Chavers.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: Beke.
ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: Cheng.
ITEMS FROM C/Ury noted that the next meeting date will be
COMMISSIONERS: January 14, 1993.
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ITEMS FROM Sgt. Rawlings reported that there was a fatal
STAFF: accident on Brea Canyon Cut-off, south of
Pathfinder.
C/Beke stated that the City may need the help of
the Sheriff Department in determining if the
accident happened within the City or County
boundary.
C/Ury suggested that staff, in the future, not try
to out guess the Commission's action, and that
notification be given when so requested.
ADJOURNMENT: Motion was made by Chair/Chavers, seconded by
VC/Gravdahl and CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY to adjourn the
meeting at 8:22 p.m.
Respectively,
orge A. Wentz
Secretary
Attest:
Ko d d"Cha e s
Chairman
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